Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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“Be careful whilst not actually doing anything careful. Just think careful and talk about how careful you are.”
andysays
Love and solidarity
bimble
floofy
I think the message is just Keep supporting your friendly blameless government - if you want to be careful then here is some sober face and some words about Vigilance for you, if you want to burn your mask & party go right ahead, enjoy the gift of Freedom Day, either way, not our fault keep voting conservative thanks.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yup. Since day one of this the government's power move has been positioning themself so that they can blame the public when shit inevitably gets worse.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
This looks like an interesting bit of research - having the flu jab reduces the risks of certain outcomes in COVID.
www.theguardian.com
Flu jab may reduce severe effects of Covid, suggests study
Analysis of 75,000 coronavirus patients found fewer major health problems among people with flu jab
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Especially if the survey was done anywhere near Westminster...
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Of course they didn't. They've been constantly whining about "fReEdOm dAy!" like spoilt little babies. All of my hate.
Storm Fox
Trying the find the next noun to verb
This prompted my to check again about ACE inhibiters,This looks like an interesting bit of research - having the flu jab reduces the risks of certain outcomes in COVID.
Flu jab may reduce severe effects of Covid, suggests study
Analysis of 75,000 coronavirus patients found fewer major health problems among people with flu jab
It seems they are slightly protective, but once you get to hospital then they have not effect if you end up in the ICU.
https://heart.bmj.com/content/106/19/1503 said:
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Flu jab may reduce severe effects of Covid, suggests study
Analysis of 75,000 coronavirus patients found fewer major health problems among people with flu jab
Edit now I've caught up with the thread:
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
I'm sick of hearing the phrase if not now, when? It's clearly on the 'line to take' bit of their briefings before ministers go in front of the media. Junior health minister Edward Agar was using it again on the media rounds this morning.
If not now, when?
How about once the Delta wave has subsided, hospitals aren't filling up with Covid patients and everyone I meet doesn't have a story about someone they know who has Covid even though they've been double jabbed.
If not now, when?
How about once the Delta wave has subsided, hospitals aren't filling up with Covid patients and everyone I meet doesn't have a story about someone they know who has Covid even though they've been double jabbed.
prunus
Tick tock.
I’ve stopped listening to the lying shits on their morning round of lying to the public via the medium of the complicit media outlets, but can anyone tell me - is there any explanation at any point (or even are they asked for one) as to why the ‘if not now then when?’ removal of public health protections in favour of the economy includes mask wearing, which has effectively zero effect on economic output and productivity?
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Indeed - why has this become such an icon of "freedom" - when so many of us are looking at all unnecessary exposure to pathogens in the light of the current experience.
So many other things have been accepted - like seat belts and not smoking in hospitals ...
It was unfortunate that they got the messaging about masks so crazily wrong early on ...
bimble
floofy
very interesting this. Not much info in here but intriguing. If they can identify long covid via a test for these special kind of antibodies does that a treatment more likely to follow?
www.theguardian.com
Long Covid: rogue antibody discovery raises hope of blood test
Test could be available from GPs within six months, as scientists warn of ‘a lot of damage to a lot of lives’
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
very interesting this. Not much info in here but intriguing. If they can identify long covid via a test for these special kind of antibodies does that a treatment more likely to follow?
Long Covid: rogue antibody discovery raises hope of blood test
Test could be available from GPs within six months, as scientists warn of ‘a lot of damage to a lot of lives’
Might do, but given it's not a singular condition it seems unlikely currently. What this test (although it's quite early days for it) does raise is maybe some complex situations where people who are saying they have long covid then don't have the antibodies from this test, so any long covid diagnosis gets discounted.
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prunus
Tick tock.
very interesting this. Not much info in here but intriguing. If they can identify long covid via a test for these special kind of antibodies does that a treatment more likely to follow?
Long Covid: rogue antibody discovery raises hope of blood test
Test could be available from GPs within six months, as scientists warn of ‘a lot of damage to a lot of lives’
Maybe, probably, certainly not less likely. Knowing the aetiology of a disease is usually an important step in developing therapies. However autoantibodies are already known to be a part of a number of autoimmune disorders, and we don’t yet have much in the way of ‘cures’ (rather than ameliorations). It’s being worked on though, and presumably these ones will be added into the mix.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
A key thing that interests me is the differences between offering just the spike protein to teach the body's immune system and expecting it to learn to recognise the whole virus ...
I figure maybe it's going to be more "efficient" for teaching the immune system...
Presumably if the antibodies learn to attack a large variety of viral proteins, there's more chance of it attacking the wrong thing.
I still don't know if the "long flu" I had in 2019 was "ME" or just because I'd sailed into diabetic waters through inactivity ...
I figure maybe it's going to be more "efficient" for teaching the immune system...
Presumably if the antibodies learn to attack a large variety of viral proteins, there's more chance of it attacking the wrong thing.
I still don't know if the "long flu" I had in 2019 was "ME" or just because I'd sailed into diabetic waters through inactivity ...
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LeytonCatLady
Well-Known Member
I had to laugh when Johnson said he'd continue wearing his mask on a crowded train. Yeah, so big of the man who's probably never been near public transport in his life and gets driven everywhere by a private chauffeur.
And it doesn't need to be all or nothing. Just because masks will no longer be mandatory doesn't mean I'll be throwing mine away. I plan to use mine until at least a few weeks after the deadline for everyone being offered their second jab, and beyond that if things still haven't improved.
And it doesn't need to be all or nothing. Just because masks will no longer be mandatory doesn't mean I'll be throwing mine away. I plan to use mine until at least a few weeks after the deadline for everyone being offered their second jab, and beyond that if things still haven't improved.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I'm in favour of keeping masks as a thing for a while but I wonder if it will become the next 'hand sanitiser', ie. something you get people to do to make it look like you're actually taking measures to reduce risk, while you just ignore a whole bunch of other stuff that would probably make a bigger difference.
For the first time in ages this weekend I went for a meal 'out' but sitting indoors. Something I am still planning to avoid as much as possible for a while. The place had hand sanitizer at the door, it had the NHS check in QR, the staff all had masks on. But then we were shown to a table in quite a large room, there was only one other table occupied but they put us at a table virtually next to them instead of one of the free ones at the other end of the room. It was a warm summer evening but exactly zero windows were open, and nor were the the full height patio doors. You had to put a mask on to go to the toilet though so it was all perfectly risk free.
For the first time in ages this weekend I went for a meal 'out' but sitting indoors. Something I am still planning to avoid as much as possible for a while. The place had hand sanitizer at the door, it had the NHS check in QR, the staff all had masks on. But then we were shown to a table in quite a large room, there was only one other table occupied but they put us at a table virtually next to them instead of one of the free ones at the other end of the room. It was a warm summer evening but exactly zero windows were open, and nor were the the full height patio doors. You had to put a mask on to go to the toilet though so it was all perfectly risk free.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Not that I have been in a pub or restaurant for years, or eat any kind of takeaway food, but I feel very sorry for people whose livelihoods depend on it.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Did you mention any of your concerns to the management?
l'Otters
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Masks would make more of a difference to the spread of an airborne disease than hand sanitiser, but a lot of people do use them as a kind of talisman (masks & / hand sanitiser).
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Well, not having held the Euros would probably have helped even more, but apparently some things are more important and talismanic than others.
Lack of COVID awareness at Euro final 'devastating' - WHO
A WHO epidemiologist said she had been devastated to watch unmasked crowds singing and shouting at the Euro 2020 soccer final in London on Sunday, expressing concerns that it would spur COVID-19 transmission, including of the Delta variant.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
One thing I don't understand is supermarkets offering both hand sanitiser and antiviral spray ...
I just slop on the hand sanitiser and squidge it all over the basket handle and maybe wipe off the excess on my trousers...
I just slop on the hand sanitiser and squidge it all over the basket handle and maybe wipe off the excess on my trousers...
teuchter
je suis teuchter
No, so I suppose if anyone catches Covid there in the next few weeks and then dies, it'll all be my fault.
prunus
Tick tock.
The immune system and response are intricately complicated things, and the many layers of it respond in different ways to different threats. Your speculations above are not really how it (probably) works in this case I don’t think, certainly not the idea that antibodies attacking lots of viral proteins leads to more cross-species attacks, or even that there’s any advantage in the antibodies attacking a wide range of proteins in this case.
The spike protein is the functional infection unit - so binding to it stops it working. This is key to the antibodies’ utility. T cells and the like need to be able to recognise infected cells - luckily the mode of this virus is to expose spike proteins on the surface of infected cells - so that recognising this is a good way of doing that.
As it’s a functional unit it can’t change that much without disabling itself. Other surface proteins can be much more polymorphic and so not so useful. It’s as if you are looking for a 7’8” tall fugitive man with red hair, 3 fingers on his left hand and wearing a navy greatcoat and glasses, and you want to train a bunch of searchers to look for him. He can easily change his coat, glasses and hair colour. Not so easily his fingers and height - so don’t bother teaching the searchers about the former, just the latter.
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Only logic I can see is that masks retard the spread of the disease. It interferes with the mass infection policy.
The other line I can think of is that johnson has misjudged the public mood and thinks masks are something the public hate, in favour of some mythical unicorn 'freedom'. So, on the latter, he's a silly cunt and on the former, a murderous one.
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