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Only logic I can see is that masks retard the spread of the disease. It interferes with the mass infection policy.

The other line I can think of is that johnson has misjudged the public mood and thinks masks are something the public hate, in favour of some mythical unicorn 'freedom'. So, on the latter, he's a silly cunt and on the former, a murderous one.
They're also a visual reminder that there's a pandemic on. If you're wanting to wish it all away and get back to normal then you can do without them. They've never taken the human impact of the disease seriously and only done lockdowns when health infrastructure was on the verge of collapse.
 
I'm in favour of keeping masks as a thing for a while but I wonder if it will become the next 'hand sanitiser', ie. something you get people to do to make it look like you're actually taking measures to reduce risk, while you just ignore a whole bunch of other stuff that would probably make a bigger difference.

For the first time in ages this weekend I went for a meal 'out' but sitting indoors. Something I am still planning to avoid as much as possible for a while. The place had hand sanitizer at the door, it had the NHS check in QR, the staff all had masks on. But then we were shown to a table in quite a large room, there was only one other table occupied but they put us at a table virtually next to them instead of one of the free ones at the other end of the room. It was a warm summer evening but exactly zero windows were open, and nor were the the full height patio doors. You had to put a mask on to go to the toilet though so it was all perfectly risk free.
Might intreset you.

 
Forget the stupid hand sanitiser, they should focus on laws and grants to improve airflow. Obvs main thing is to make people more aware of this... it's no coincidence people arent generally getting covid outside...

I had to open some of the windows on the bus cos some arsehole had closed them. Most of the local shops round here dont keep their doors open... and that's in bloody summer. Hopeless!

People may get a bit chilly as months go on but this is the logical solution. Tons of places could be adapted very easily...
 
They're also a visual reminder that there's a pandemic on. If you're wanting to wish it all away and get back to normal then you can do without them. They've never taken the human impact of the disease seriously and only done lockdowns when health infrastructure was on the verge of collapse.

Forget the stupid hand sanitiser, they should focus on laws and grants to improve airflow. Obvs main thing is to make people more aware of this... it's no coincidence people arent generally getting covid outside...

I had to open some of the windows on the bus cos some arsehole had closed them. Most of the local shops round here dont keep their doors open... and that's in bloody summer. Hopeless!

People may get a bit chilly as months go on but this is the logical solution. Tons of places could be adapted very easily...
As always it's the interaction of the pandemic policy with neoliberalism and power relations in the workplace. As mentioned above, it's not just about mask when it comes to having a 'Covid secure' workplace, but social distancing and masks were key defences for shop workers and others. Masks of course are as much about defence of others than the wearer. For most businesses there would have been little problem maintaining social distancing in areas where workers meet the public (or each other) and there could have been state aid for those who would have seen significant impact. Infecting and hospitalising people in the name of 'normality'.
 
So we delayed reopening long enough for us to class the Delta variant as no longer a "new variant of concern" because it's been around for too long? That feels like moving the goalposts somewhat...
 
oh god he's on.
Just a stream of burbled nonsense.
Clearly walked back from his 'irreversible' claims tho. All he ever said was that he HOPED it'd be irreversible. :rolleyes:
 
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My faith in Chris Whitty is waning.

But he admits that there is disagreement about whether this is the ideal date to open up. That is because there is no ideal date, he says.

This is a terrible argument. The scientists disagree because it isn't safe to open up now. They are not saying there is an ideal time, they are saying now is the wrong time.
 
So what's the betting that the numbers next week will be too bad to open up, or like January and the schools, will open up for a short period before enacting more restrictions.
 
I wonder if there is going to be any tracking of mask/social-distancing adherence after the 19th, as a way of measuring the "personal responsibility" metric that we're all apparently going to rely on from now on?
 
Are we taking bets yet on when the "irreversible" unlockening is reversed and new lockdown measures have to be introduced?
Suppose we are about to see a mass experiment on the extent to which the vaccine has weakened the link with hospitalisation. I say weakened, because we need to get away with the clearly dishonest claim that it has broken the link. Those who do the science and stats will know this better but it seems to me that it will probably ramp up over the Summer in a series of messy stages. Been a plateau in cases the last few days, though there might be a measurable 'Euro blip' next. Then it's the battle between kids being off school and the bonfire of regulations next week. Then, we get to schools and colleges going back + universities. Anyway, nothing good in all of that and, as has been mentioned on this thread, the whole strategy is one borne out previous failures.
 
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