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[Dogsauce]

And since the number of children who die from Covid is low, it doesnt take much vaccine death to really make things look bad and run the risk of an understandable backlash if the vaccine kills more children than it saves.

The difficult thing to explain to people is that vaccinating children saves non-child lives, so the mortality rate of Covid among children isn’t the only thing on the other side of the risk/reward equation.

 

[emanymton]

NHS staff abused by people seeking second Covid jab early for holiday

Doctors say some vaccination centres have had to call police or hire security guards over safety fears

www.theguardian.com

What the fuck is wrong with people?

 

[bimble]

NHS staff abused by people seeking second Covid jab early for holiday

Doctors say some vaccination centres have had to call police or hire security guards over safety fears

www.theguardian.com

What the fuck is wrong with people?

for fucks sake. At the beginning of all this i was able to squint my eyes a bit and see it as a rare example of look we really are all in this together, i haven't managed that perspective for at least a year.

 

[emanymton]

for fucks sake. At the beginning of all this i was able to squint my eyes a bit and see it as a rare example of look we really are all in this together, i haven't managed that perspective for at least a year.

What really gets be about this is that people are not demanding the 2nd jab because they are worried about their health or the health of their families but just so they can go on fucking holiday.

The whole holiday obsession over the last year and a half has driven me up the wall.

90% of the time I am thinking fuck these entitled cunts. And 10% of the time I think how sad it is that so many peoples lives are so miserable that they apparently can't cope without a week or two spent sunbathing every year.

 

[cupid_stunt]

FFS, they were already getting abuse, threats and aggression from antivaxxers, and now from people demanding their second jab early so they can go on fucking holiday, talk about getting shit from both sides.

 

[emanymton]

FFS, they were already getting abuse, threats and aggression from antivaxxers, and now from people demanding their second jab early so they can go on fucking holiday, talk about getting shit from both sides.

Yes I could not decide if that funked me of the most or the holiday thing settled on the holiday.

I fell a bit better thanking that both times I went for the jab everyone was polite and patient and for lack of a bitter word there was a good 'atmosphere' and I like to think that is more typical


Mind you my second one was done by the army and they may get given less shit. And complete off topic I loved that they had camo masks on.

 

[Supine]

Model isn’t going well

 

[MickiQ]

The difficult thing to explain to people is that vaccinating children saves non-child lives, so the mortality rate of Covid among children isn’t the only thing on the other side of the risk/reward equation.

That's going to be a near impossible sell to most parents i think

 

[cupid_stunt]

That's going to be a near impossible sell to most parents i think

This YouGov poll suggests most people would get their child vaccinated.

A YouGov poll of 938 parents with children aged 17 or under found that 53% said they would get their child vaccinated, rising to 59% of parents who have already had, or were planning to get, the jab themselves.

However, one in five (18%) of all parents said that they would not vaccinate their children, while another 29% were unsure.

Among those adults having the vaccine themselves, 29% of parents were uncertain about getting their offspring jabbed, while 12% said they would not do it.

More than half of parents willing to have kids jabbed against Covid if offered

Men were more likely to say yes to jabs for kids than women

www.walesonline.co.uk

 

[SpookyFrank]

90% of the time I am thinking fuck these entitled cunts. And 10% of the time I think how sad it is that so many peoples lives are so miserable that they apparently can't cope without a week or two spent sunbathing every year.

I bet they're bitter, miserable twats when they're on holiday as well tbf.

 

[LDC]

NHS staff abused by people seeking second Covid jab early for holiday

Doctors say some vaccination centres have had to call police or hire security guards over safety fears

www.theguardian.com

What the fuck is wrong with people?

Abuse of NHS staff isn't new, but the article does say it's unclear how common it is, and I suspect the reality is that it's very, very uncommon. And of course once is one too many times, but when people are emotional, scared, stressed etc. they do behave badly and out of character sometimes. I dunno, newspapers, especially The Guardian, do like a sneering article as well so I wouldn't get too depressed about that piece.

And I'm writing that as someone that has found plenty of behaviour from some people very depressing and grim in the last 18 months.

 

[weepiper]

We went to Glasgow yesterday to get my eldest some familiarity with the city centre because she's going to go to uni there in September. It was very busy both there and in Edinburgh city centre too, lots of people with wheeled luggage coming out of the train station etc, shopping centres looked totally back to pre-Covid business, hen night parties wandering around etc which was quite disconcerting. On the other hand, we were on two buses, two trains, in a restaurant and in two shops and I saw almost 100% mask compliance in all of those places, lots of hand sanitizer stations being well used etc. So it's clear that people here are still really thinking about Covid risk even though they're much more out and about.

 

[wtfftw]

This YouGov poll suggests most people would get their child vaccinated.

More than half of parents willing to have kids jabbed against Covid if offered

Men were more likely to say yes to jabs for kids than women

www.walesonline.co.uk

Yeah. I'm eager to get my child vaccinated.

 

[existentialist]

I bet they're bitter, miserable twats when they're on holiday as well tbf.

They'll be the ones bitterly complaining about how inferior and expensive fish and chips is in Spain.

 

[The39thStep]

They'll be the ones bitterly complaining about how inferior and expensive fish and chips is in Spain.

I had a very nice portion of cod’s cheeks in batter in Spain a few years ago

 

[andysays]

What really gets be about this is that people are not demanding the 2nd jab because they are worried about their health or the health of their families but just so they can go on fucking holiday....

This is one of the obvious downsides of creating "vaccine passport" relaxations for those who have had both jabs before everyone has had a chance to have them.

 

[sideboob]

The tongue is the best part according to Newfies. But I'm not a fish eater so can't confirm.

 

[Cat Fan]

On the two jabs to go on holiday thing. Please bear in mind there are millions living in the UK with family abroad, sometimes they haven't seen parents or loved ones in years.

The government has made visiting amber list countries an expensive and admin heavy nightmare so it's no surprise people are desperate to get the second jab. It's not all just selfish people who want two weeks in the sun. (But there are some of those I bet.)

It's a complicated picture and it's hard not to put some blame on the government as well for making testing to travel so expensive and stressful.

 

[2hats]

Model isn’t going well

To be fair, that was two weeks ago and the accompanying text explicitly states it is not a forecast - because, amongst other factors: government diktat, individual behaviour (it can't "account for changes two to three weeks prior"). However, from the same briefing document, the deaths have verified thus far (they are of course 'baked in' for two to three weeks).

 

[MickiQ]

This YouGov poll suggests most people would get their child vaccinated.

More than half of parents willing to have kids jabbed against Covid if offered

Men were more likely to say yes to jabs for kids than women

www.walesonline.co.uk

that's interesting but there is no break down by age of child which I suspect is probably significant, I can imagine parents of 15, 16 or 17 year olds (and children of that age should be consulted as to their own opinions) being much keener than the parents of younger children. Setting aside the objections of the complete fuckwits who are anti-vaccination because it will make them sterile/give them magnetic arms(??)/contains microchips there is a very valid argument that expecting the young to place themselves at greater risk to reduce the risk to the elderly is not necessarily a good thing. (If the risk from the vaccines is greater than the virus for children)
My kids are adults (and in varying stages of being vaxxed) but my grandsons are 1 and 4 if my daughter said to me I don't want to vaccinate them until they are 16 or 17 rather than 12 or 13 because of the risk then I am cool with the idea that she might consider their lives more valuable than mine even though I will be well into my 70's by then.
Hopefully by then we will have a lot more idea where the point at which the risk from the vaccine drops below the risk from the virus

 

[Red Cat]

16 and 17-year old 'children' consent to their own medical treatment.

 

[SpookyFrank]

That's going to be a near impossible sell to most parents i think

Is it? No vaccine is 100% risk free and yet most parents still vaccinate their kids.

 

[BillRiver]

Is it? No vaccine is 100% risk free and yet most parents still vaccinate their kids.

Indeed.

Even my brother and his ex, who did not allow their 6 Yr old daughter to be vaccinated for anything pre-pandemic, did allow her to have the flu vaccine (a spray) last winter when her school offered it, and plan to allow her to have the covid one if/when she is offered that.

This pandemic seems to have changed their minds on vaccines in general, although sadly not enough to make them ask for her to get the others (MMR etc) yet.

 

[elbows]

To be fair, that was two weeks ago and the accompanying text explicitly states it is not a forecast - because, amongst other factors: government diktat, individual behaviour (it can't "account for changes two to three weeks prior"). However, from the same briefing document, the deaths have verified thus far (they are of course 'baked in' for two to three weeks).

Yes, and I expect the modelling done longer ago, involving the unlocking steps and scenarios with different levels of increased transmission is probably still more useful. I might do some comparisons in the coming days.

 

[gentlegreen]

I'm still nervous about getting the MMR as an adult - perhaps once I can't wear a mask all year - and if I acquire a social life ...

 

[elbows]

From the same article...

"Got slightly lost"?? WTF? They were following your lead, Johnson, you cunt.

The change in tone at last Mondays press conference was noticeable and was commented on by a few people here.

But yes this is only one factor and expectations were largely driven by actual policy announcements and the tone that was set much longer ago.

Its a real shame that the public appear to have been more supportive of the May relaxation step, because thats the step that contributed heavily to where we are at now. And that step wasnt really offset by anything, unlike the July step which will be offset by schools breaking up for summer holidays.

 

[elbows]

And lets not be in any doubt, the current plan is basically a pre-Delta plan. And the main concession they made to the likely realities of Delta was to delay the final step so that it comes around the same time as school holidays in England.

Whether that timing change is enough for them to 'get away with it' remains to be seen. It seems clear that Delta has already rained on their freedom parade and the mood music will be different at this point to what it would have been without Delta.

Daily hospitalisation rates continue to very much be at the point of the curve where big upswings were expected and are indeed materialising. This should become increasingly obvious over the next 5-10 days, and will contribute to nerves. Whether such nerves are offset by any changes to the rate of growth of people testing positive, or any wobbles in the hospitalisation figures, remains to be seen.

 

[prunus]

I'm still nervous about getting the MMR as an adult - perhaps once I can't wear a mask all year - and if I acquire a social life ...

Why is that if you don’t mind me asking? (The nervousness).

 

[Storm Fox]

I'm still nervous about getting the MMR as an adult - perhaps once I can't wear a mask all year - and if I acquire a social life ...

I've posted this before, but please watch this. Wakefield deliberately misled everyone for monetary gain, including giving unnecessary colonoscopies to children severely injuring some of them and not getting the correct informed consent from their parents.
The guy is scum and should be in jail. There is a link in the description to a file giving all the references for the points made in the video. The guy notes the relevant citation numbers throughout.

 

[gentlegreen]

Why is that if you don’t mind me asking? (The nervousness).

I was on a roll until the side effects of the AZ wacked me for a week ... but I will probably go for it

I also retired last year so my risk profile is different now ...