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[2hats]

A cautionary tale apparently from the Ministry of Health in Israel: in recent weeks a dramatic decline in the effectiveness of the vaccine (Pfizer BNT162b2) against corona infection has been observed.

Before June protection against infection was around 94%. From 6 June, five days after restrictions were all abolished, to recent (limit of current data), the effectiveness of the vaccine to infection, and mild disease, had dropped to 64%. Effectiveness in preventing hospitalisation dropped from 98% to 93% over this same period.

Delta/B.1.617.2 currently appears to account for around 60% of infections in Israel, with alpha/B.1.1.7 around 38%.

פרסום ראשון: ירידה ביעילות החיסון בארץ, עדיין מונע תחלואה קשה ב-93%

לפי נתוני משרד הבריאות המעודכנים, יעילות החיסון מפני הדבקה צנחה ל-64% בחודש האחרון, על רקע התפשטות זן דלתא וביטול ההגבלות. עם זאת, ההגנה מפני מחלה קשה ואשפוז עדיין גבוהה מאוד. בכיר בצוות לטיפול במגיפות: "נתונים מטרידים". בדיון הצוות הלילה לא התקבלה החלטה בנוגע לחיסון שלישי

www.ynet.co.il

e2a: Israeli Ministry of Health brief statement confirming this.

 

[miss direct]

Please say they will still be required by airlines. Or will that depend if it's a British airline or not?

 

[elbows]

If the NHS were to take the George Cross down to the pawn shop, could they exchange it for a decent standard of PPE?

 

[elbows]

A cautionary tale apparently from the Ministry of Health in Israel: in recent weeks a dramatic decline in the effectiveness of the vaccine (Pfizer BNT162b2) against corona infection has been observed.

Before June protection against infection was around 94%. From 6 June, five days after restrictions were all abolished, to recent (limit of current data), the effectiveness of the vaccine to infection, and mild disease, had dropped to 64%. Effectiveness in preventing hospitalisation dropped from 98% to 93% over this same period.

Delta/B.1.617.2 currently appears to account for around 60% of infections in Israel, with alpha/B.1.1.7 around 38%.

פרסום ראשון: ירידה ביעילות החיסון בארץ, עדיין מונע תחלואה קשה ב-93%

לפי נתוני משרד הבריאות המעודכנים, יעילות החיסון מפני הדבקה צנחה ל-64% בחודש האחרון, על רקע התפשטות זן דלתא וביטול ההגבלות. עם זאת, ההגנה מפני מחלה קשה ואשפוז עדיין גבוהה מאוד. בכיר בצוות לטיפול במגיפות: "נתונים מטרידים". בדיון הצוות הלילה לא התקבלה החלטה בנוגע לחיסון שלישי

www.ynet.co.il

If people get confused about what we will see more obviously via positive case and hospitalisation numbers in different age groups around this country in the weeks ahead, that may go a long way towards explaining it.

 

[LDC]

If the NHS were to take the George Cross down to the pawn shop, could they exchange it for a decent standard of PPE?

Apologies (half-hearted ones) for posting satire on a serious thread, but...

Seven occasions when a George Cross is better than money, by an NHS worker

SURE, money is great, but midwife Eleanor Shaw and other NHS staff awarded the George Cross agree that it’s nothing compared to a notional medal.

www.thedailymash.co.uk

 

[Petcha]

This does feel a bit too much like a concert poster. And one of those gigs when you think the artists lower down the bill will probably outshine the headliner

 

[Dystopiary]

This does feel a bit too much like a concert poster. And one of those gigs when you think the artists lower down the bill will probably outshine the headliner

.

 

[Cloo]

Anecdotally people seem about 50/50 on continuing to wear masks or not... I'm think I might order some of the right and proper disposable ones just for a few occasions upcoming where I will have to be in an enclosed space with others seeing as they might really count in that situation.

 

[glitch hiker]

State of fucking this:

 

[Pickman's model]

If the NHS were to take the George Cross down to the pawn shop, could they exchange it for a decent standard of PPE?

 

[zahir]

State of fucking this:

 

[BillRiver]

State of fucking this:

FFS!

She dealt with it well, but I can't help feeling she missed an opportunity there to explain that communism involves giving a shit about your community, not just yourself as an individual.

Fair play to her though, she couldn't have known she'd be asked that, and shouldn't have been.

 

[miss direct]

Philip Schofield annoyed me this morning (yeah I had This Morning on for a bit between lessons) by attempting to argue with a doctor who said the plans to drop masks were ludicrous. Seeing him argue against masks annoyed me far more than a random idiot on the street because him and Holly have real influence over many people.

 

[kalidarkone]

I really, really hope that UK hospital trusts insist on face masks at work being mandatory. Although when covid first arrived in the UK us NHS staff were told not to wear masks .

 

[Orang Utan]

as a public facing worker, i’m very worried about the relaxing of mandated mask wearing. it’s a huge mistake imo. such a tiny measure that can slow transmission and yet they’re considering letting people go maskless inside

 

[MickiQ]

That was pretty shit to be honest what's her politics got to do with it? He might as well as said "Why should we take you seriously when you're wearing a red jumper and clearly have no fashion sense?"
The woman was presenting a scientific argument, he should have either brought on a scientist with a different view or have been honest and said "Other concerns overide the science" which is also a valid argument not tried to discredit her because he disagreed with her politics.

 

[Sasaferrato]

as a public facing worker, i’m very worried about the relaxing of mandated mask wearing. it’s a huge mistake imo. such a tiny measure that can slow transmission and yet they’re considering letting people go maskless inside

Yes, I can see why you would be concerned. Is there a meaningful discussion to be had with your employer re mandating masks for the punters?

 

[Sasaferrato]

Philip Schofield annoyed me this morning (yeah I had This Morning on for a bit between lessons) by attempting to argue with a doctor who said the plans to drop masks were ludicrous. Seeing him argue against masks annoyed me far more than a random idiot on the street because him and Holly have real influence over many people.

Willoughby has the IQ of a flipflop, and Schofield, little, if any better. They are a pair of irritating fuckwits.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The Twitty & Whitty show is about to start.

 

[sheothebudworths]

Absolute fucking disgrace.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

I really, really hope that UK hospital trusts insist on face masks at work being mandatory. Although when covid first arrived in the UK us NHS staff were told not to wear masks .

Ordered not to wear masks on pain of disciplinary action.

 

[glitch hiker]

That was pretty shit to be honest what's her politics got to do with it? He might as well as said "Why should we take you seriously when you're wearing a red jumper and clearly have no fashion sense?"
The woman was preventing a scientific argument, he should have either brought on a scientist with a different view or have been honest and said "Other concerns overide the science" which is also a valid argument not tried to discredit her because he disagreed with her politics.

It's absolutely blatant smear tactic. Poisoning the well. Madeley is an avowed 'lockdown sceptic', baptised by Saint Hitchens of Twat. Never mind his comedy Partridge stylings, he's a crank

 

[sheothebudworths]

1,905 patients in hospital was on the 1st. 1,888 in England alone in today's figures.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

As expected. Lift all restrictions and let it rip.

 

[glitch hiker]

"People will be allowed to make their own decisions about what is safe, instead of behaviour being determined by laws."

Death by libertarianism

 

[Orang Utan]

Yes, I can see why you would be concerned. Is there a meaningful discussion to be had with your employer re mandating masks for the punters?

they will probably continue to tell the public to mask up inside their buildings, but us ground troops are the ones having to enforce this and it won’t be fun if UKGOV has told everyone they can do whatever they liked

 

[LDC]

I really, really hope that UK hospital trusts insist on face masks at work being mandatory. Although when covid first arrived in the UK us NHS staff were told not to wear masks .

There's been lots on how masks will still be compulsory in healthcare settings.

 

[Sasaferrato]

they will probably continue to tell the public to mask up inside their buildings, but us ground troops are the ones having to enforce this and it won’t be fun if UKGOV has told everyone they can do whatever they liked

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

"People will be allowed to make their own decisions about what is safe, instead of behaviour being determined by laws."

Death by libertarianism

Personally I believe that smoking isn't bad for your health. Therefore passive smoking is quite OK and nothing to worry about. I also think that there's nothing wrong with my driving around at 120 mph on the wrong side of the road. I'll probably be alright. That's what really matters.

 

[Mr Retro]

This is fantastic news. Waves of relief