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[elbows]

In terms of the nature of criticisms Hancock is facing in parliament today, there is quite a lot of focus on the timing of the India red list decision compared to Pakistan etc. Johnsons India trade trip was mentioned.

 

[brogdale]

In terms of the nature of criticisms Hancock is facing in parliament today, there is quite a lot of focus on the timing of the India red list decision compared to Pakistan etc. Johnsons India trade trip was mentioned.

IINM, Hancock claimed that the redlist decision regarding Pakistan & Bangladesh was based upon those two countries of origin yielding significantly higher rates of test positivity than India at that time.

Sounds like BS; hope he's asked to produce the data to support the claim.

 

[elbows]

Its quite possible he can produce dataa that fits the narrow criteria and timing, but then the question just becomes how shit that narrow criteria was.

 

[cupid_stunt]

IINM, Hancock claimed that the redlist decision regarding Pakistan & Bangladesh was based upon those two countries of origin yielding significantly higher rates of test positivity than India at that time.

Sounds like BS; hope he's asked to produce the data to support the claim.

I heard him saying yesterday that India was testing far more than Pakistan & Bangladesh, so I checked on worldometers, hoping to nail him, but he was correct about testing.

Tests per 1m population-
India - 227,344
Pakistan - 55,401
Bangladesh - 34,359

All worrying TBH, the UK is on 2,478,213.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 129,471,257 Cases and 2,828,154 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

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www.worldometers.info

 

[brogdale]

Its quite possible he can produce dataa that fits the narrow criteria and timing, but then the question just becomes how shit that narrow criteria was.

And whether to not it was applied equally to other countries, or was it really just number crunching created with hindsight to cover Johnson's trade-deal based decision regarding India?

 

[elbows]

And whether to not it was applied equally to other countries, or was it really just number crunching created with hindsight to cover Johnson's trade-deal based decision regarding India?

Yes.

 

[brogdale]

I heard him saying yesterday that India was testing far more than Pakistan & Bangladesh, so I checked on worldometers, hoping to nail him, but he was correct about testing.

Tests per 1m population-
India - 227,344
Pakistan - 55,401
Bangladesh - 34,359

All worrying TBH, the UK is on 2,478,213.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 129,471,257 Cases and 2,828,154 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

Yeah, but in the commons he specifically called it on the rate of positive tests results. I presume that's testing on arrival?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Yeah, but in the commons he specifically called it on the rate of positive tests results. I presume that's testing on arrival?

I presumed it was the rate in the counties concerned.

 

[brogdale]

I presumed it was the rate in the counties concerned.

Is such data accessible?

 

[brogdale]

No expert, but that doesn't sound like it's something to toast down 'spoons this evening?

 

[elbows]

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No expert, but that doesn't sound like it's something to toast down 'spoons this evening?

Yeah thats why I go on about not focussing too much on the current hotspots if that risks distracting from the fact this variant is seeded quite widely across the country. When combined with how long the time is between cases occuring and genomic analysis revealing how many were of the new variant, the safest thing to assume is that this variant is widespread by now. If searching for something more positive to say, the best I can manage is to also keep in mind the context of the overall levels of prevalence of infections in general still being fairly low right now.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Is such data accessible?

Actually you were right, he was talking about testing on arrival, and he says the data has been published by the quarantine management service.

 

[Supine]

Actually you were right, he was talking about testing on arrival, and he says the data has been published by the quarantine management service.

India was testing 5% positive on arrival so not exactly a green light for them.

 

[brogdale]

India was testing 5% positive on arrival so not exactly a green light for them.

Yes, there's only so much cover from their Captain Hindsight schtick...

 

[bimble]

Are we not desperately trying to get a trade deal with pakistan and bangladesh too?

 

[brogdale]

Are we not desperately trying to get a trade deal with pakistan and bangladesh too?

Evidence would suggest not quite so desperately as with India.

 

[bimble]

5% on arrival is loads isnt it?
Like every single flight had covid on it on average?

 

[BillRiver]

5% on arrival is loads isnt it?
Like every single flight had covid on it on average?

Liked cos that's exactly what I was thinking, not because I like anything about this actual reality.

 

[bimble]

It doesnt seem the most important thing to me right now but this particular shit decision might be the one that sticks with them, in time. Control are borders was a very popular slogan not long ago and when it mattered they fucked it up.

 

[Supine]

5% on arrival is loads isnt it?
Like every single flight had covid on it on average?

In short, yes. And those flights were supposed to be people who tested negative before boarding

 

[glitch hiker]

This is the sort of questioning that ministers put up as the face of the tories deserve.
Well done Adil Ray.

Not bad, he almost sounds like Piers Morgan

Kwasi Karteng is a piece of shit

 

[Teaboy]

In short, yes. And those flights were supposed to be people who tested negative before boarding

Which brings into question the whole pre-testing before flying strategy which seems to be the cornerstone of how international travel can be done. Basically its looks like a total failure.

 

[bimble]

Bolton local news says two schools have had 'significant outbreaks' confirmed by tests over the weekend, with kids now isolating at home. Not good but not surprising, just hope they don't actually get ill from it at all.

 

[MrSki]

Long Covid is a big concern amongst youngsters who catch it. Can be a problem for months if not longer.

 

[bimble]

All that noise about having to show vaccine status to go inside pubs and things never amounted to anything did it.

 

[Supine]

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All that noise about having to show vaccine status to go inside pubs and things never amounted to anything did it.

She hasn’t exactly mastered mask wearing yet

 

[Thora]

I'm 37 and just booked my vaccine if anyone else is waiting.

 

[MrSki]

How Singapore reacts is slightly different to the UK approach.

 

[elbows]

On a related note:

Last week, Bedford Borough Council called for vaccines to be offered to all residents aged 16 and over due to the increase in cases.

Professor Chris Whitty, England's chief medical officer, said local "surge vaccinations" were not being pursued as there was a "finite" supply of doses and younger people were less at risk from the virus.

Louise Jackson, portfolio holder for public health and wellbeing at the council, said she thought not offering vaccines to people aged over 16 was "a mistake".

"We have the second highest rate of infection in the country," she said.

"We should be getting the resources and vaccinations here so we can get on top of things."

From Covid: Surge testing in Bedford due to Indian variant

I dont know what I'd do about that, I dont think my first instinct would be to rush to vaccinate people in the younger age groups.

 

[William of Walworth]

All that noise about having to show vaccine status to go inside pubs and things never amounted to anything did it.

She hasn’t exactly mastered mask wearing yet

Not a great message at all, I agree ,

But TBF, Mrs Couperthwaite might well have just been posing for the press-opportunity before the place actually opened.

(When I manage to get myself to Bolton some time in the future, I'm going to go to that pub I think! Beer choice looks good )