Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[Cid]

You have to remember we are actually getting meaningful data on vaccines in real populations... E.g from Israel, so it's not just crossed fingers and a sense of manifest destiny any more.

<e2a: not in response to Wilf - as above I think it's not great to rush the school opening for the sake of 3 weeks>

To clarify more broadly I'd like it if our timetable were more based on complete vaccination in key groups, and first dose vaccination in the majority of adults.

 

[IC3D]

It sounds like the govt are only commited to vaccinating those who are vulnarable, which is about now and letting things run after that. Which is the only realistic plan. 0 covid was never on the cards as its endemic around the world.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I just can't see step 4 happening in that time frame. I just can't. I don't know how we go from it not being safe to sit inside a restaurant and then 5 weeks later packed out live venues and thousands gathering for festivals etc.

All this before hundreds of thousands (probably millions) of adults will still not have had their first jab. Oh well, fingers cross as ever.

In theory everyone should have had first jabs by June with most having second as well.

Feels like fantasy!

Just freedom. The freedom to go anywhere with anyone!

In all honesty it's fucking terrifying me.

This is what I meant by siege mentality, it's literally got me sweating with anxiety at the prospect.

 

[editor]

I actually cried at the prospect of this fucking lockdown being over and being able to go out and work again (assuming the bars I work at will reopen).

 

[Cid]

It sounds like the govt are only commited to vaccinating those who are vulnarable, which is about now and letting things run after that. Which is the only realistic plan. 0 covid was never on the cards as its endemic around the world.

Afaik the plan is to vaccinate all adults by the end of July, so no that's not the only realistic plan. Because it's not the plan.

 

[LDC]

It sounds like the govt are only commited to vaccinating those who are vulnarable, which is about now and letting things run after that. Which is the only realistic plan. 0 covid was never on the cards as its endemic around the world.

No, they've said all adults will be offered a vaccine by 31st July.

 

[Pickman's model]

we'll still be fucking about with this cycle of lockdown & release for many months to come because the government are so fucking shit.

 

[Pickman's model]

Afaik the plan is to vaccinate all adults by the end of July, so no that's not the only realistic plan. Because it's not the plan.

the plan i think you'll find is to offer the vaccine to all adults by the end of july, which is a rather different thing.

 

[Cid]

the plan i think you'll find is to offer the vaccine to all adults by the end of july, which is a rather different thing.

True enough, but I don't particularly feel the need to over-specify each post. Though in this case it may be more relevant as vaccine hesitancy tends to be higher in some of the communities that we know are more vulnerable. If that becomes a factor... Hmm. Yeah, not a nice one to think about.

 

[LDC]

I actually cried at the prospect of this fucking lockdown being over and being able to go out and work again (assuming the bars I work at will reopen).

Can we have a "We (mostly) survived the 2019-2021 pandemic U75 party!" late in the summer?!

 

[BigMoaner]

In theory everyone should have had first jabs by June with most having second as well.



In all honesty it's fucking terrifying me.

This is what I meant by siege mentality, it's literally got me sweating with anxiety at the prospect.

the whole thing, even the prospect of it ending, is incredibly scary. i can't dwell on the pandemic for long before i get all twitcy. a year of running from it mentally.

 

[IC3D]

Afaik the plan is to vaccinate all adults by the end of July, so no that's not the only realistic plan. Because it's not the plan.

I'm saying realistic as I expect a significant shortfall of take up. Hence no 0 covid

 

[Cid]

I'm saying realistic as I expect a significant shortfall of take up. Hence no 0 covid

You said 'only commited to vaccinating those who are vulnarable, which is about now and letting things run after that', that just doesn't seem to be the case. And yes, 0 covid has never been part of their strategy... But it doesn't appear to be just recklessly open everything up as soon as vulnerable people are vaccinated either.

 

[editor]

Can we have a "We (mostly) survived the 2019-2021 pandemic U75 party!" late in the summer?!

I want to party so fucking hard that I'm not going to remember the months spent locked inside! But yes, I'd really be up for helping sort out a party.

I think urban75 really came into its own during this crisis. Imagine if all we'd had was loon-packed Facebook for online social interactions?

*shudder

(edited to make sense!)

 

[Artaxerxes]

I'm saying realistic as I expect a significant shortfall of take up. Hence no 0 covid

Zero Covid can't happen unless you shut the country entirely for 2 months or more then refuse entry.

We'd starve.

 

[mwgdrwg]

Enjoy the summer. There's zero fucking plan to contain coronavirus and we'll be in the same shit-boat by Autumn.

 

[Cid]

Though fuck me the vaccine hesitancy figures are bit worrying.

 

[Teaboy]

Enjoy the summer. There's zero fucking plan to contain coronavirus and we'll be in the same shit-boat by Autumn.

There clearly is a plan but its almost 100% reliant on the effectiveness of vaccines and getting daily deaths down to a trickle. If the vaccines do not work as well as hoped they'll know about it long before the middle of summer.

 

[Pickman's model]

Though fuck me the vaccine hesitancy figures are bit worrying.

yeh that's the difference between every adult being vaccinated and every adult being offered the vaccine. i don't think the gulf between the two is a minor issue.

 

[IC3D]

You said 'only commited to vaccinating those who are vulnarable, which is about now and letting things run after that', that just doesn't seem to be the case. And yes, 0 covid has never been part of their strategy... But it doesn't appear to be just recklessly open everything up as soon as vulnerable people are vaccinated either.

That is what I meant really, I wasnt that clear

 

[Cid]

That is what I meant really, I wasnt that clear

yeh that's the difference between every adult being vaccinated and every adult being offered the vaccine. i don't think the gulf between the two is a minor issue.

Well I suppose we're all broadly on the same page. As you were.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

yeh that's the difference between every adult being vaccinated and every adult being offered the vaccine. i don't think the gulf between the two is a minor issue.

Presumably what this will mean is that by the summer we'll start to get news stories about the high proportion of vaccine sceptics that are now dying from Covid - that might increase uptake.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I want to party so fucking hard that I'm not going to remember the months spent locked inside! But yes, I'd really be up for helping sort out a party.

I know an engineer that’ll volunteer his services for free

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Amid all the rather niche shit about people dying and economic collapse, to my utter disgust I find that the holiday I'd booked for April won't happen - the restrictions on such things end (no earlier, and quite possibly later than) halfway through the booking.

Balls.

I missed the date for holidays what is it?

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

I know an engineer that’ll volunteer his services for free

I'll fight you for it

 

[kebabking]

I missed the date for holidays what is it?

Monday 12th Apr - but that is self- holiday lets, with just one household.

Wank, wank, wanketty wank..

 

[editor]

I posted this on my FB feed after wading through a deluge of doomy posts from self-professed lockdown experts insisting that everything is going to go wrong:

"Can all you Covid doom merchants just fucking zip it for a day? No one knows if the lockdown easing plan is going to work or stay on schedule, but how about you let people enjoy a few moments of happiness hoping it will? "

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Happiness is over-rated
/me goes back into the goth cupboard

 

[Pickman's model]

I posted this on my FB feed after wading through a deluge of doomy posts from self-professed lockdown experts insisting that everything is going to go wrong:

"Can all you Covid doom merchants just fucking zip it for a day? No one knows if the lockdown easing plan is going to work or stay on schedule, but how about you let people enjoy a few moments of happiness hoping it will? "

given the frequency with which the government has issued decisions guaranteed to make things worse it is a brave man or woman who would presume to think they won't fuck it up again

 

[Pickman's model]

Happiness is over-rated
/me goes back into the goth cupboard

a couple of days ago i received my latest volume of essays from the society for the study of nineteenth-century ireland, entitled happiness in nineteenth-century ireland. having enjoyed the essays therein, i think that happiness is somewhat under-rated, under-considered, and left to moulder on the fringes of society.