Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[xenon]

if being able to meet more than one person outside and not just for exercise is allowed soon, that will actually be good for me. I had some nice drinks in parks with friends last year.

I have already met one other person outside and stopped for a drink a couple of times this year.

 

[lazythursday]

yeah the main thing I want to see is small outside gatherings, it will make life a lot pleasanter. But suspect this won't happen yet, and schools going back will have such a large impact on the slowdown of the figures we'll be waiting ages.

 

[xenon]

Unless it is to carry on with the current pattern for a while longer, at least until people are vaccinated & have developed the required immunity, anything else the haystack announces is relaxing too soon.

From experience, secondary schools are too much of a petri-dish / super-spreader ...

I take your point but as it's unlikely everyone will be vaccinated by the end of summer, it's not tenable. I mean, this going on until the end of September. Barring some kind of disaster of course.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I take your point but as it's unlikely everyone will be vaccinated by the end of summer, it's not tenable. I mean, this going on until the end of September. Barring some kind of disaster of course.

Nope, they announced over the weekend that every adult will be offered the first dose, and have it by the end of July, bringing that target forward by 2 months.

 

[hypernormalized]

Nope, they announced over the weekend that every adult will be offered the first dose by early July, and have it by the end of July, bringing that target forward by 2 months.

And the children?

 

[Cid]

The last thing I want to do is meet one person outside... Three’s company innit.

 

[cupid_stunt]

And the children?

The vaccines are not yet licenced for children.

 

[lazythursday]

Nope, they announced over the weekend that every adult will be offered the first dose, and have it by the end of July, bringing that target forward by 2 months.

that is only first dose though - going to be a few months later before everyone is fully vaccinated. Though it is increasingly looking like the first dose is pretty effective.

 

[hypernormalized]

The vaccines are not yet licenced for children.

Whether they're licensed or not is besides the point - they won't be protected.

Kind of brings us back around to the argument of when we've vaccinated enough.

There is no need to wait until 20 and 30 year olds are fully vaccinated to restart life. Not that they'll be waiting anyway, you only need to go out into the park or stand about outside some student halls to know that.

 

[miss direct]

Two of my housemates have had the vaccine now. One is a mental health nurse so that makes sense. The other installs broadband. Says he had to get it for work. He's young and healthy. I'm glad for him, but am really wondering what is going on when people with health conditions working in schools aren't eligible but he somehow is.

 

[elbows]

I dont think the authorities every really diverged away from their initial instincts and equations of letting natural immunity build up in younger groups. The broader version of that was scuppered because in other age groups the level of hospitalisation was incompatible with plans to let most people catch it. But since they now expect vaccines to carry a lot of the load in that area, its no surprise that they are back to even more thinly disguised aims of achieving immunity by infection means in the younger groups.

 

[Teaboy]

Two of my housemates have had the vaccine now. One is a mental health nurse so that makes sense. The other installs broadband. Says he had to get it for work. He's young and healthy. I'm glad for him, but am really wondering what is going on when people with health conditions working in schools aren't eligible but he somehow is.

I've heard a few similar stories. I tend not to dwell on the reasons why some younger people are seemingly getting queue jumps. There are quite a few legitimate reasons I can think of and I tend to think at least it hasn't gone to waste.

 

[elbows]

In honour of todays roadmap, Johnson has styled his hair today in tribute to the spaghetti junction.

 

[LDC]

Interesting first few lines by Johnson, explicitly rules out 'zero covid'.

 

[Cid]

Two of my housemates have had the vaccine now. One is a mental health nurse so that makes sense. The other installs broadband. Says he had to get it for work. He's young and healthy. I'm glad for him, but am really wondering what is going on when people with health conditions working in schools aren't eligible but he somehow is.

Sounds a bit odd to me. Afaik health and social care are the only fields where vaccines are currently offered. It may be an unmentioned health issue, or there are always odd administrative things that happen.

Fwiw I absolutely think schools going back should be contingent on vaccinating staff.

 

[LDC]

Two of my housemates have had the vaccine now. One is a mental health nurse so that makes sense. The other installs broadband. Says he had to get it for work. He's young and healthy. I'm glad for him, but am really wondering what is going on when people with health conditions working in schools aren't eligible but he somehow is.

TBH I woudn't always be so sure about what people say as to why they had it. There's a fair level of confusion going on where some people think think they're having it because of their work, whereas actually they got called by their GP due to an underlying health condition, or they had it semi-randomly as a left over dose.

 

[Orang Utan]

I’m unashamed to say I’ve quite enjoyed the last year, in spite of everything. The enforced slowdown, less pressure to socialise, the glimpse of what cities can be like with no cars, rediscovering a love of simple things like a walk in the park, etc etc

I’m ready for things to open again. But not at the risk of more needless deaths. Yet again, our government is going down the wrong path.

Aye, it’s allowed me some thinking time too, an opportunity to get my life back on track

 

[LDC]

Exactly, some people also don't want to announce private health issues, so they're saying it was 'cos of work'.

 

[miss direct]

Well maybe.

I just had to turn Boris off when I heard him saying "safely back to school" and all the twits going hear hear. Let them go in themselves.

 

[Cid]

What the fuck is the point in the whole ‘irreversible’ shit?

 

[LDC]

Long haul still to come, 4 months until indoor mixing allowed at any significant level.

 

[LDC]

What the fuck is the point in the whole ‘irreversible’ shit?

I'm thinking that's a trade he's made with the anti-lockdown people in his party. He's given it to them as a promise/compromise to shut them up about the slow pace he's following.

 

[Cid]

I'm thinking that's a trade he's made with the anti-lockdown people in his party. He's given it to them as a promise/compromise to shut them up about the slow pace he's following.

Yeah, I suppose I know why it is... it just seems a daft thing to do. Also I suppose pandering to hospitality bosses who want consistency on opening.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I don’t think I’ve ever wanted to punch a group of people in the face quite so much.

 

[hypernormalized]

Yeah, I suppose I know why it is... it just seems a daft thing to do. Also I suppose pandering to hospitality bosses who want consistency on opening.

It's pointless anyway because we don't trust him.
Better to encourage people who intend to follow the rules to continue to do so.

 

[smmudge]

There is no need to wait until 20 and 30 year olds are fully vaccinated to restart life. Not that they'll be waiting anyway, you only need to go out into the park or stand about outside some student halls to know that.

Yeah and how many 20 and 30 year olds do you see just staying at home and not going out?! I don't see any! Well I see one who I live with, and I'm in my 30s, but I don't see any others! Must all be out.

 

[Teaboy]

I'm more than a little surprised they think things like nightclubs and large scale events can happen by mid-June. That sounds a bit optimistic to me.

 

[hypernormalized]

Yeah and how many 20 and 30 year olds do you see just staying at home and not going out?! I don't see any! Well I see one who I live with, and I'm in my 30s, but I don't see any others! Must all be out.

Strawman.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I'm more than a little surprised they think things like nightclubs and large scale events can happen by mid-June. That sounds a bit optimistic to me.

It’s utterly fucking mental.

 

[frogwoman]

Lol how many 30 year olds are in student halls? Let alone going clubbing all the time if they are