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I just saw the latest tv advert that I think people were talking about yesterday, the look them in the eyes thing.
I feel really torn about this because I generally can’t stand attempts to manipulate us in that way. It would really piss me off but there are still people who doubt this stuff but aren’t fully lost to conspiracy theories and MSM paranoia.
I just think/hope maybe it’ll reach people like my friend who isn’t too far down the rabbit hole but is making shitty decisions. She’s being influenced by her idiot, conspiraloon boyfriend and isn’t a bad person. But, she still made the decision to go out with the idiot boyfriend when he had Covid and she was isolating too.

Actually I think the £500 being discussed would convince her more but there we go.
 
I just saw the latest tv advert that I think people were talking about yesterday, the look them in the eyes thing.
I feel really torn about this because I generally can’t stand attempts to manipulate us in that way. It would really piss me off but there are still people who doubt this stuff but aren’t fully lost to conspiracy theories and MSM paranoia.
I just think/hope maybe it’ll reach people like my friend who isn’t too far down the rabbit hole but is making shitty decisions. She’s being influenced by her idiot, conspiraloon boyfriend and isn’t a bad person. But, she still made the decision to go out with the idiot boyfriend when he had Covid and she was isolating too.

Actually I think the £500 being discussed would convince her more but there we go.
Will it stop you going out today?
 
Will it stop you going out today?
I haven’t been going out much at all outside of work. As little as possible.
Unfortunately my job means that I have to visit people every day and it frightens me.
My post was specifically about people who break isolation when they’ve been a contact or even have Covid. I guess I’d hope it might reach someone like my friend. I’m probably wrong but this week I’m angry and frightened.
 
This is just appalling. The same oppressive pressure to return to work that the sweatshops of Bradford employ.

I've been ranting that the government hasn't been fining employers for forcing people into work when they could work from home. As so often with this government the truth is much worse. They are one of those employers. When there is software that can facilitate remote working I don't know how any call centre can justify being open.
 
As it's illegal to go to work if it's not reasonably possible to do that work from home I'm surprised I haven't heard about any court cases yet, or anything from relevant unions for people who can work from home e.g. PCS or Prospect. Looking at their websites they seem to have no answer to the question "I can work from home but my employer is requiring me to break the law and work on site, how should I word my refusal?"
 
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I've been ranting that the government hasn't been fining employers for forcing people into work when they could work from home. As so often with this government the truth is much worse. They are one of those employers. When there is software that can facilitate remote working I don't know how any call centre can justify being open.
AIUI, the DVLA's systems are antediluvian, and not capable of supporting remote working. More chronic underinvestment?
 
Can people stop searching for
“Will pubs reopen?”

still on trending

They will certainly not be reopening anytime soon.

The British government has quietly extended coronavirus lockdown laws to give local councils in England the power to close pubs, restaurants, shops and public spaces until July 17, the Telegraph reported on Saturday.

Not that that means they will definitely be closed until July.

 
I know that last time I moaned about a EU vaccine delays story not mentioning whether the same applied to the UK, someone pointed out that the UK was actually mentioned in the article.

Well, it happened again, this time with the AstraZeneca vaccine, and this time I dont see the UK mentioned. This article is from yesterday:


Anyway I mention this now because I note that on the Andrew Marr show today, when interviewing Hancock, Marr said that 2 million AstraZeneca doses were expected by about now, but that this has been delayed till mid-February. I havent found any articles about this yet, any ideas?
 
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Just to add to that, I never normally watch the Marr show but I was tipped off about that detail by the 9:47 entry on the BBC live updates page. And then I had to find that part of the programme for myself since they totally botched the write-up and left out the mid-February detail that Marr suggested.


Andrew Marr says the UK has been told it is getting two million doses of the AstraZeneca by about now and asks what's gone wrong and why it's been delayed.

"This is a complicated manufacturing process," replies Matt Hancock. He says it's coming from the manufacturers as quickly as possible, and then the NHS is "getting it into people's arms as quickly as possible".

In terms of the background, ie what was expected before this delay, when I search for 2 million doses I see plenty of stories from earlier in January where two different things are described - getting 2 million doses in total by some stage in January, and getting 2 million doses of that vaccine every week at some stage in January.
 
I note that single-dose vaccine isn't as effective as two doses. But we knew this.
I'm optimistic about this information
Israeli health minister said:
At the same time there are some encouraging signs of less severe diseases, less people hospitalised after the first dose. At this stage its very difficult to say, its not a clinical trial yet ... We sincerely hope we will have better information soon.

Though to be fair mass dosing should really be a phase 4 trial, answering the question "Does it really work as expected"
 
Some good news on the dose front is that the Janssen / Johnson & Johnson vaccine is close to approval, and it only requires one dose.

Not sure if was that one, name doesn't ring a bell but another one has just shown very good signs. It's still at the animal testing stage. However, it can be easily stored, seems to require a lower dose.



Let me find the story, that'd probably help.

Edited. Obviously a different one, this is still a long way from human testing and approval.
 
I know that last time I moaned about a EU vaccine delays story not mentioning whether the same applied to the UK, someone pointed out that the UK was actually mentioned in the article.

Some cunt who got banned from this thread decided to contact me about this, claiming that I often make statements about the UK that only fairly apply to England. I\ve got shit all interest in having a conversation with them but it did remind me that there were a number of related subjects I'd been meaning to mention here.

There are all manner of details in the UK nations other than England that I've had reason to praise at times. Scotlands public health & political leadership communication is often much better than Englands, eg Sturgeoun is suited to that task in the same way Johnson is completely unsuited to it. Scotland and Wales have often made better noises about travel and border restrictions. Scotland, Wales and Northern Irelands sense of timing with new measures can be better than England/the UK governments, but sadly these differences are often still too marginal for my liking. And praise I would give Wales for having a circuit breaker was cancelled out by the way they utterly botched the exit from circuit breaker. And sometimes the timing in these countries is only better because they have even less wiggle room due to limited resources.

None of the UK nations looks good on paper when it comes to things like preventing there being more death in the second wave than there was in the first. In other key ways the failures are the same across all the four nations. But I cannot judge the administrations in isolation because they are not independent nations. There are distinct limits to what actions they can take and their overall approach because they are bound to the UK and the overall UK strategy to a great extent.

The implications of that pain me greatly, because in many ways the nations other than England are of the same sort of relatively small size to countries that we've seen pursue relatively successful strategies during the pandemic. The sort where, even if not going so far as to attempt a zero-covid type strategy, a lot of emphasis was on keeping viral prevalence down to very low levels, and being quite strong about travel and border restrictions. Making different choices about economic sacrifices and balances than the UK government has done.

I suppose its not even just a question of how shit the UK government is in this pandemic, or the physical realities of geography, borders and cross-border links across society and the economy. Its also about the complicated resources picture. Take for example a small, genuinely independent country with limited resources. When considering a pandemic response, the balance of risk equations include things like nature of economy, international supply ties, population demographics, ratio of hospital beds & intensive care beds to population size, etc. When presented with this pandemic, such factors can lead to some very clear decisions, eg very limited health system wiggle room to cope with a huge wave, so take the pain in a different way by doing more to keep levels of population infection as low as possible at every point. But I suspect the equation is more complicated when it comes to the likes of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. They may share the lack of wiggle room with other small countries, but there is always that sense that some broader UK resources are available to them if deemed absolutely necessary. And this binds them to some aspects of 'large nation pandemic planning', which I tend to think is often hideously misguided for the large nations, let alone when applied to smaller ones.

This graph shows deaths within 28 days of a positive test, by date of death, split into deaths before September 2020 in blue, and those since in red. No region or nation of the UK manages to look good by this measure :( There are caveats, not least that by this measure a lot of first wave deaths were missed. I will attempt to work around such limitations in some future chart, but I dont have the right data to do that properly yet.

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I am continually surprised that there have not been more deaths in London.

So many possibilities. I wont try to talk about them all now.

But Google Mobility data may hold some clues.

Greater London:
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Greater Manchester:

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West Midlands:

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All are from pdfs available at https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
Should drill down into the more local data which is available from the same reports but which I cannot reasonably post here due to sheer quantity of it.

In any case that stuff would certainly give me reasons to consider the nature of jobs and the economy in different places. If more jobs in a location are more feasible to do from home, or more workplaces are closed there because of a higher proportion of hospitality & tourism jobs, these things can make a difference.

Other possible explanations include level of attention given to the place by the authorities, culture and competency of those authorities, hospital infection control & other resources, care home setup (eg lots in the capital or are people shunted elsewhere a lot, and size of the care homes), whether staff in some front line health & care roles got earlier testing in London, and I'm sure many more.
 
So many possibilities. I wont try to talk about them all now.

But Google Mobility data may hold some clues.

Greater London:
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Greater Manchester:

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West Midlands:

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All are from pdfs available at https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
Should drill down into the more local data which is available from the same reports but which I cannot reasonably post here due to sheer quantity of it.

In any case that stuff would certainly give me reasons to consider the nature of jobs and the economy in different places. If more jobs in a location are more feasible to do from home, or more workplaces are closed there because of a higher proportion of hospitality & tourism jobs, these things can make a difference.

Other possible explanations include level of attention given to the place by the authorities, culture and competency of those authorities, hospital infection control & other resources, care home setup (eg lots in the capital or are people shunted elsewhere a lot, and size of the care homes), whether staff in some front line health & care roles got earlier testing in London, and I'm sure many more.

"But London" does tend to ignore just how many commuters come into London on a daily basis, virtually the entire South East is distorted by having a huge chunk of its population travel into it during normal times.

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Imagine how many of those people are now wfh.
 
I'm in the west midlands and the roads are busy, it's nothing like first lockdown.

We’ve thought that too. A lot busier in town, busier roads. During lockdown one if I got the bus home from work it was a six minute journey (as opposed to the 15 / 20 minutes it usually works with cars on the road etc) and if I was walking, I could have walked down the middle of normally busy roads perfectly safely.
 
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