Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[SpookyFrank]

Some good news on the dose front is that the Janssen / Johnson & Johnson vaccine is close to approval, and it only requires one dose.

Can't see that catching on, it's got too silly of a name. Were Johansson and Ivanovic not interested in collaborating on it as well?

 

[nagapie]

No, not seeing them as often as we normally do but hugged my sister's kids at Xmas - impossible not to. And had a walk with my brother's eldest last week and hugged her goodbye. Didn't think much of it at the time, but have been reading of some people here not having any physical contact with anyone for ages.

Only the Tories would hold you up as an example of the public spreading the disease. You're not the cause of the increase in cases, 20 million people going to work however, lack of furlough, no money to isolate etc.

 

[Sue]

I can’t really follow it. My attention lapses at the best of times but even more during this crisis.

I know it's hard Orang Utan, but is it clearer now from the stuff above from prunus and Thora?

 

[Thora]

Maybe they should drop the multiple bubble thing and just allow any two households to join exclusively - whether it’s for childcare, to provide physical/emotional support, single parent households, families with only children so the children can socialise. Or just for socialising.

 

[LDC]

Maybe they should drop the multiple bubble thing and just allow any two households to join exclusively - whether it’s for childcare, to provide physical/emotional support, single parent households, families with only children so the children can socialise. Or just for socialising.

I think the issue is size of some households, potentially you could have two households each of 10 or so people joining up.

And then as well as that being difficult to manage in public spaces, if any of them are slack elsewhere you potentially have a massive pool of infected people.

 

[BristolEcho]

My mum and dad are in about 40 bubbles I think.

 

[frogwoman]

I thought you can go for a walk with someone outside your bubble as long as you stay 2m apart?

 

[frogwoman]

I've been for a walk with my neighbour in the last week. I had the impression that was allowed?

 

[prunus]

I thought you can go for a walk with someone outside your bubble as long as you stay 2m apart?

Yes, one person from each household only. But only if you’re local to each other, and (farcically) only for exercise, not to socialise. Whatever the fuck differentiation we are supposed to make of that.

 

[Thora]

I think the issue is size of some households, potentially you could have two households each of 10 or so people joining up.

And then as well as that being difficult to manage in public spaces, if any of them are slack elsewhere you potentially have a massive pool of infected people.

That's true, but then now you have people in multiple bubbles, some legitimate and some not eg two families with babies in a bubble, plus each has a different childcare bubble, the childcare bubbles can have other support bubbles and then people will push things by having a "exercise friend" bubble or everyone in a shared house having additional bubbles plus boyfriends/girlfriends etc etc

 

[purenarcotic]

I thought you can go for a walk with someone outside your bubble as long as you stay 2m apart?

Yes, it is at the moment.

 

[IC3D]

It's only my opinion but the Kent/Essez mutation lol. I think is spread by construction workers coming into London. I'm frontline NHS and my colleagues coming in from these places tell me about packed trains I get the tube with the inner London forrin lot. There is no way this is safe, I'm fed up with pointing the finger at petty curtain twitching bulshit about other people. The fucking trains are rammed at 6:30 bur WFH journos don't see it.

 

[TopCat]

How many bubbles are you in?

He is having a bubble.

 

[LDC]

That's true, but then now you have people in multiple bubbles, some legitimate and some not eg two families with babies in a bubble, plus each has a different childcare bubble, the childcare bubbles can have other support bubbles and then people will push things by having a "exercise friend" bubble or everyone in a shared house having additional bubbles plus boyfriends/girlfriends etc etc

Yeah, it is a fucking mess, some small bit of which was unavoidable in a pandemic, the vast majority of it created through the government's actions/inactions. Not sure how to fix it now with that kind of situation tbh. Everyone to stay in for a month and start again?!

 

[HalloweenJack]

Self- employed, out of work for a year,cos the Entertainment Business is basically closed.
Offered a job abroad, 2 days on a film set.

Im halfway through quarantine here, and am regularly PCR tested to find on my return, I won’t be able to go home, to my one person flat, but I may be escorted to a hotel for 14 days, at a cost which destroys what earnings I will make.

I have observed the rules since day one, and intended to self- isolate on return., but this ruling, if it comes to pass is predicated on the assumption I will disobey, and is fining me before an assumed crime.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Only the Tories would hold you up as an example of the public spreading the disease. You're not the cause of the increase in cases, 20 million people going to work however, lack of furlough, no money to isolate etc.

Latest conservative party announcement:
orang utan must die!
Slowly
on the public square
bring your own rotting sprouts (not brussels pretty please)

Yes, one person from each household only. But only if you’re local to each other, and (farcically) only for exercise, not to socialise. Whatever the fuck differentiation we are supposed to make of that.

Don't talk while running

It's only my opinion but the Kent/Essez mutation lol. I think is spread by construction workers coming into London. I'm frontline NHS and my colleagues coming in from these places tell me about packed trains I get the tube with the inner London forrin lot. There is no way this is safe, I'm fed up with pointing the finger at petty curtain twitching bulshit about other people. The fucking trains are rammed at 6:30 bur WFH journos don't see it.

nah, it's whatshername from next door spreading it, don't you see?

Self- employed, out of work for a year,cos the Entertainment Business is basically closed.
Offered a job abroad, 2 days on a film set.

Im halfway through quarantine here, and am regularly PCR tested to find on my return, I won’t be able to go home, to my one person flat, but I may be escorted to a hotel for 14 days, at a cost which destroys what earnings I will make.

I have observed the rules since day one, and intended to self- isolate on return., but this ruling, if it comes to pass is predicated on the assumption I will disobey, and is fining me before an assumed crime.

Need to check but I think my mates who went back to australia didn't have to pay for their quarantine as their trip had been booked before the "pay for your quarantine" was introduced there.

caveat: I'm a bit pissed, hope I haven't offended anyone, not having the best of time just like many other.

 

[Badgers]

 

[Badgers]

Boris Johnson is facing increasing pressure from cabinet ministers and scientists to require all new arrivals, including British citizens, to quarantine at their own expense in government-supervised hotels. “Anyone who slips through could be a new mutant strain, hence the need for blanket measures,”

Monday briefing: New Covid could 'slip through' without quarantine

Fourteen-day hotel stay urged for all arrivals to UK … Debenhams reduced to a website … English and Scots world’s wobbliest drunks

www.theguardian.com

 

[cupid_stunt]

Making people quarantine at hotels is logical, but will 14 days be enough for the South African variant, because this news from down under is worrying.

Australia has suspended a travel bubble with New Zealand - after NZ's first Covid case in months was confirmed to be the South African variant. The infected patient had served 14 days in quarantine and tested negative twice before developing symptoms later. Travellers coming from New Zealand to Australia in the next 72 hours will now have to go through hotel quarantine. Health Minister Greg Hunt said the suspension was done out of an "abundance of caution".

Covid-19: MPs call for school reopening plan, and will France have a third lockdown?

Five things you need to know about the coronavirus pandemic this Monday morning.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Making people quarantine at hotels is logical, but will 14 days be enough for the South African variant, because this news from down under is worrying.

Covid-19: MPs call for school reopening plan, and will France have a third lockdown?

Five things you need to know about the coronavirus pandemic this Monday morning.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yep, was musing on that possibility of a longer infection to symptoms showing period after reading the news last night.

 

[existentialist]

Yep, was musing on that possibility of a longer infection to symptoms showing period after reading the news last night.

It'll make good, accurate testing even more important than ever (so good luck with that, UK ). And there's a public message that HAS to be got out there to convey the notion that you don't have to be symptomatic to be infectious. And lose the "look into their eyes" guilt-tripping, because that's not going to work: it needs to be a positive, constructive message that doesn't just "nudge", but informs as well.

 

[2hats]

Making people quarantine at hotels is logical, but will 14 days be enough for the South African variant, because this news from down under is worrying.

The incubation period is a positively skewed distribution with a long tail. Up to 38 days has previously been noted in the literature (DOI: 10.1017/ice.2020.221).

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

The incubation period is a positively skewed distribution with a long tail. Up to 38 days has previously been noted in the literature (DOI: 10.1017/ice.2020.221).

thanks for this I wasn't aware of it.
So it's not 28 days later anymore but the sequel then...

 

[cupid_stunt]

On Sunday, Health Secretary Matt Hancock suggested the full reopening of schools before Easter was a “hope” rather than an expectation, as he warned that the easing of lockdown restrictions was a “long, long, long way” off.

It comes as the Prime Minister suggested rules could start to ease next month. He told reporters this morning [Monday] that the Government would be “looking at the potential of relaxing some measures” before mid-February.

More clear messaging from the muppets.

Schools reopening row as lockdown ‘could start easing next month’ - LIVE

England’s school children have become the “forgotten victims” of the coronavirus pandemic, Tory MPs have warned as Boris Johnson faces mounting pressure to get kids back into the classroom after the February half-term.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[elbows]

Thats the usual stupid dance with cunts who are demanding dates, timetables, roadmaps etc. Some of the cunts reporting on the dance are themselves part of this dance. He has nothing solid to offer them because its not about dates, and so we get those vague and likely misleading statements instead. It reminds me of the first lockdown where they indicated it would last months but then had to go on about how often they would review things. On that occasion the relaxation came even later than Johnson etc originally wanted, so I dont think the 'when, when when?' shitheads gained anything other than eroding peoples proper sense of timing, encouraging lockdown fatigue, encouraging journalists to stick to a dullard script with an impossibly narrow field of view.

A BBC article on the matter says:

BBC chief political correspondent Adam Fleming said there was frustration in government that the debate had become about dates, rather than medical data, and ministers feared that any potential timetable would be overtaken by the virus.

from Covid: Schools will be told of reopening plans 'as soon as we can'

I would suggest that on this occasion it isnt just the data about levels of infection, hospitalisation and death that will dictate the timing. Its also the vaccination schedule, so any 'potential timetable' can be thrown off not just by the virus, but by any vaccine supply delays etc.

 

[LDC]

It's less about clear messaging and more about the ongoing split bubbling along within the Tory party on this again.

The CRG etc. are clearly using the schools/children thing as a weak point to leverage getting things (the economy) 'back to normal' as soon as they can. Absolute pricks, when the fuck have they ever been bothered about disadvantaged children in the previous years?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Looks like the anti-vaxxer twats are losing the argument in Europe, with big increases in those prepared to be vaccinated.

Brits are the most likely in the world to take up the offer of a coronavirus vaccine, according to new data. The data by YouGov showed the increase in willingness to be vaccinated in the UK was in line with a growing trend in Europe where people are becoming more "pro-vaccine".

Latest figures showed 81% of Brits would have the vaccine. Other countries with a big willingness included Denmark, where 80% would take up the offer of a vaccine, Spain with a 71% willingness, and Norway where 70% would have it.

The biggest increase has been in Sweden where a survey in mid-November showed only 45% would be willing to be vaccinated. This figure has now increased to 66% who would take the vaccine or have already had it.

Britain now 'most pro-vaccine country in world' as people get their Covid jabs

The data by YouGov showed the increase in willingness to be vaccinated in the UK was in line with a growing trend in Europe where people are becoming more 'pro-vaccine'

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Have the Asian countries there got vaccine rollout programmes on the go? My (pretty speculative) guess is that a lot of the resistance to a theoretical vaccine will ebb away when people are presented with one in reality, and see loads of people around them getting vaccinated with no issues.

 

[Cloo]

Yes,the obsession with dates is ridiculous. Asking 'what will have to happen before we can do X?' makes much more sense. Then maybe you can ask 'when might that be realistically?' although there's probably no really good answer to that

 

[platinumsage]

All very convenient for the Tories who have been mandated to ensure that from now on they under-promise so they can over-deliver.