Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[teuchter]

The deaths numbers mentioned above are only by reporting date, so are distorted as usual.

As far as actual deaths per day, we don't know yet. The rate would have had to have increased very rapidly over the past few days to get us close to the April peak (maybe it has). This is "Deaths within 28 days of positive test by date of death"

 

[brogdale]

We're seeing the end of Christmas and the start of NY at the moment.

Not in deaths, they tend to lag around 28 days after infection.

 

[TopCat]

We haven’t even seen the Xmas/NYE spike yet.

It's awful. More and more people I know have got it. It just feels like its closing in.

 

[BigMoaner]

could it get to a point where literally everyone gets it? i.e. 1 in 30 this week, 1 in 15 two weeks later, etc etc?

 

[zora]

I'm at the Samuel L. Jackson-"Say Vaccination one more time"-stage of the pandemic. Yes, I am also looking forward to a vaccination (ever optimistic, have just submitted my details for possible vaccine trial of another vaccine), but how is x numbers of vaccination in SIX WEEKS TIME helping with infections rates like this and hospitals out of space, staff and oxygen???

 

[BigMoaner]

i guess impossible iwth social distancing

 

[LDC]

Think we're seeing the Xmas infections but not the deaths?

 

[weltweit]

could it get to a point where literally everyone gets it? i.e. 1 in 30 this week, 1 in 15 two weeks later, etc etc?

Could be, but I think in reality some people are properly isolating and therefore just aren't going to be in the vicinity of infected people.

I think people interacting with the earlier levels of precautions might well get it, variant B.1.1.7 being up to 70% more transmissible could well still infect you if you are 2m apart not wearing face coverings etc etc ..

 

[TopCat]

Anyone got any vallies?

 

[wtfftw]

I'm at the Samuel L. Jackson-"Say Vaccination one more time"-stage of the pandemic. Yes, I am also looking forward to a vaccination (ever optimistic, have just submitted my details for possible vaccine trial of another vaccine), but how is x numbers of vaccination in SIX WEEKS TIME helping with infections rates like this and hospitals out of space, staff and oxygen???

Yeah. It's too late. I had hoped they were doing it by hospital figures/predictions. Apparently not. It feels like there's no one in charge.

 

[brogdale]

Yeah. It's too late. I had hoped they were doing it by hospital figures/predictions. Apparently not. It feels like there's no one in charge.

Pretty much.

 

[Sunray]

I'm at the Samuel L. Jackson-"Say Vaccination one more time"-stage of the pandemic. Yes, I am also looking forward to a vaccination (ever optimistic, have just submitted my details for possible vaccine trial of another vaccine), but how is x numbers of vaccination in SIX WEEKS TIME helping with infections rates like this and hospitals out of space, staff and oxygen???

Apart from shutting down every business and telling people to stay at home permanently, not sure what there is left we can do?

Boris Johnson is entirely to blame for this. Constant delays when locking down hard and early was really the only option.

 

[LDC]

Pretty much.

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Did you hear him on Radio 4 recently, I think yesterday or day before? He was totally fucking useless.

 

[brogdale]

Did you hear him on Radio 4 recently, I think yesterday or day before? He was totally fucking useless.

He always is; the fact that Johnson appointed him to the role tells us exactly how much he cares.

 

[LDC]

Apart from shutting down every business and telling people to stay at home permanently, not sure what there is left we can do?

Boris Johnson is entirely to blame for this. Constant delays when locking down hard and early was really the only option.

Two week very strict lockdown on top of what we have. No leaving the house for anything except essential work, medical appointments, and one person for food as infrequently as possible.

 

[brogdale]

Apart from shutting down every business and telling people to stay at home permanently, not sure what there is left we can do?

Boris Johnson is entirely to blame for this. Constant delays when locking down hard and early was really the only option.

Businesses can be revived; dead folks can't.

 

[Sue]

We're seeing the end of Christmas and the start of NY at the moment.

On R4 this morning, an ICU consultant reckoned Christmas cases hadn't hit yet.

 

[Sunray]

Businesses can be revived; dead folks can't.

We have a Tory government, doesn't give a shit.

Like I said, elsewhere, esp if you live in London right now. Do not get sick.

 

[brogdale]

We have a Tory government, doesn't give a shit.

Indeed.

 

[brogdale]

On R4 this morning, an ICU consultant reckoned Christmas cases hadn't hit yet.

2 weeks tomorrow, so should start to really feel the festive surge from now on.

 

[BigMoaner]

2 weeks tomorrow, so should start to really feel the festive surge from now on.

do you mean show up in the figures or show up in people reporting to hospital?

 

[brogdale]

do you mean show up in the figures or show up in people reporting to hospital?

Rough, ball park figure = hospitalisation after 2 weeks & death (if occurs) after 4 weeks from infection.

 

[Artaxerxes]

On R4 this morning, an ICU consultant reckoned Christmas cases hadn't hit yet.

Christ

 

[frogwoman]

79,833 deaths in total

 

[Sue]

Christ

Yep. I wonder if that's why they've called this emergency status thing or whatever it is now as this is imminent.

 

[Deej1992]

79,833 deaths in total

Shocking. Johnson really does have blood on his hands.

 

[brogdale]

79,833 deaths in total

According to the government's own time limited criteria. The reality is, of course, far worse.

 

[BigMoaner]

Shocking. Johnson really does have blood on his hands.

yes, and also those who don't give a fuck about the rules - for which there are many. go to sainsburys now and you'll see them.

 

[Roadkill]

yes, and also those who don't give a fuck about the rules - for which there are many. go to sainsburys now and you'll see them.

Yup. I went to the small Sainsbury's near mine at 6am today, in the hope I'd be the only customer in there since so many people either wear masks below noses or not at all and they're never challenged. It was quiet, thankfully, but even so there was some twat with his mask round his chin.

Frankly I think everyone exempt from masks should be issued with some sort of badge or lanyard, and it should be made illegal for a shop to allow entry or to serve anyone trying to come in without either that or a mask covering both mouth and nose, which must stay in place at all times whilst inside. Pull down your mask and you get chucked out and banned - no excuses, no exceptions. Same should apply to all public transport and other enclosed public spaces.

 

[SpookyFrank]

could it get to a point where literally everyone gets it? i.e. 1 in 30 this week, 1 in 15 two weeks later, etc etc?

It cannot grow exponentially forever because as more people are infected, the virus starts to run out of new people to infect. This is not an outcome we should work towards however.