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Lots of people are specifically excluded from lockdown by the instruction that those who can't do their work from home should still go to work.

There's also an interesting difference between the list of "critical workers," whose children can still attend school and those who are still expected to work.

I'm still working, even though my job is definitely not "critical", because the government has essentially made a decision to have only a partial lockdown which doesn't apply equally to everyone.
same here. I found the traffic on my way to work about normal for wednesday morning at 7.30.
 
Just noticed they have updated the 'patients in hospital' figure, on Mon. 4th Jan. it was 30,451.

That's almost 50% more than the highest peak in April, when it was 21,684 on the 12th, about 3 weeks after the first lockdown, so I guess we have at least 3 more weeks of increasing numbers, before the current lockdown impacts on the figures.

How the hell is the NHS going to cope?

 
Went the local park for a walk and there were quite a few groups of young mums with school age kids, all walking and playing together. Kinda defeats the object of the schools being shut.
Maybe not ideal, but better that they're playing together outside than stuck in a classroom together. And hopefully not in contact with as many others as if they were in school.

Young mums and school age kids need to have some contact with other people, just like the rest of us.
 
Just noticed they have updated the 'patients in hospital' figure, on Mon. 4th Jan. it was 30,451.

That's almost 50% more than the highest peak in April, when it was 21,684 on the 12th, about 3 weeks after the first lockdown, so I guess we have at least 3 more weeks of increasing numbers, before the current lockdown impacts on the figures.

How the hell is the NHS going to cope?


Yeah, someone clever yesterday (infectious diseases modeller or something) said we had about 4-5 weeks before noticeable falls in deaths.
 
Just noticed they have updated the 'patients in hospital' figure, on Mon. 4th Jan. it was 30,451.

That's almost 50% more than the highest peak in April, when it was 21,684 on the 12th, about 3 weeks after the first lockdown, so I guess we have at least 3 more weeks of increasing numbers, before the current lockdown impacts on the figures.

How the hell is the NHS going to cope?


I cant put a time on how long things will keep going up, since various measures came in over a fair period of time, and the school holidays should also have helped in some ways, at the same time as other aspects of Christmas made things worse.

I certainly have room left for hope that it will be less than 3 weeks till the numbers stop going up, without that hope having to rely only on a lack of realism.
 
Aren't we all supposed to be foregoing contact at the moment?
We're certainly all being asked to reduce contact, but not to give up all contact altogether.

I already said it wasn't ideal, and it would be better if gathering in groups could be minimised, but I'm not going to criticise young mums for allowing their kids to talk to or play with their friends if they happen to meet them while out for a walk in the park.
 
We're certainly all being asked to reduce contact, but not to give up all contact altogether.

I already said it wasn't ideal, and it would be better if gathering in groups could be minimised, but I'm not going to criticise young mums for allowing their kids to talk to or play with their friends if they happen to meet them while out for a walk in the park.
We're supposed to meeting a maximum of one other person outside, and not sitting around with them.

If there's a group of parents & kids all interacting together, then they are totally ignoring that rule, aren't they? Or is there a special exemption for kids?

Edit - in fact, you're not actually supposed to meet anyone socially. It's a maximum of one other person, for exercise, and you're supposed to stay 2m apart.

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I cant put a time on how long things will keep going up, since various measures came in over a fair period of time, and the school holidays should also have helped in some ways, at the same time as other aspects of Christmas made things worse.

I certainly have room left for hope that it will be less than 3 weeks till the numbers stop going up, without that hope having to rely only on a lack of realism.

I should have been clearer that Im talking about positive case and hospital figures with that, deaths will lag further behind those figures, and also suffer from longer delays in reporting.
 
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We're supposed to meeting a maximum of one other person outside, and not sitting around with them.

If there's a group of parents & kids all interacting together, then they are totally ignoring that rule, aren't they? Or is there a special exemption for kids?

Edit - in fact, you're not actually supposed to meet anyone socially. It's a maximum of one other person, for exercise, and you're supposed to stay 2m apart.

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Maybe you should print out some copies of that and hand them out to anyone you see not complying
 
Just noticed they have updated the 'patients in hospital' figure, on Mon. 4th Jan. it was 30,451.

That's almost 50% more than the highest peak in April, when it was 21,684 on the 12th, about 3 weeks after the first lockdown, so I guess we have at least 3 more weeks of increasing numbers, before the current lockdown impacts on the figures.

How the hell is the NHS going to cope?


And in the 2 subsequent days where the full UK figure isnt available (due to data being further behind for Wales and Northern Ireland), Englands hospital figures went up by over a thousand and Scotlands by over a hundred.

Here are the latest graphs I have for number of Covid-19 patients in hospital.

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The return of clap for carers (this time clap for heroes) leaves me with very mixed feelings because in addition to the reasons to have mixed feelings about it last time, this time I am also sickened by the way the pandemic is treated so differently when it affects regions in the south. Was there nobody worth clapping for when the North was suffering a huge amount of death and hospital strain months ago?

I'm not doing it. It's a sop.
 
i never did it in the first place. it made me feel uncomfortable and would do so even more so this time. The staff need pay rises first and foremost and the NHS needs adequate funding. Only then would I feel some measure of happiness.

I think you've quoted the wrong post there!

Completely agree, though. Clapping is an empty gesture, especially when you're clapping along with Boris fucking Johnson and a bunch of Tory scumbags who'd like to privatise the whole thing anyway.
 
As has been said earlier it would be useful to have an idea of how many people are still being expected to go into work by employers at present over and above the ten million or so who constitute the cohort of key-workers.My employer continues with distribution of fashion on-line and,as previously, has issued the employees with a letter of explanation for the police.In line with andysays' post above the letter states that we 'should' go to work as our work is not of the type that can be done from home.Judging by traffic locally this morning just before seven very high numbers of warehouse workers indeed are carrying on as normal.One wonders what it would take to prompt a change of heart/rethink?
 
Just a quick question, if anyone knows. Any advice yet, re. the new, more contagious coronavirus variant, regarding the safety of public places, such as shops, transport etc? Is existing guidance (2m spacing plus face masks) still effective? I'm very fortunate indeed that I work from home and live alone, but I guess that leaves shops as my biggest risk factor. How safe are they and what's the best advice re. risk minimisation?
 
Just been for a walk, dropping the kids back.

There is absolutely zero sign of a lockdown here. Roads as busy as ever, usual levels of people out and about.

East London is really quiet, went for my cycle Hackney to Brixton and back, there is traffic but its at very low levels compared to normal.
Will go again when the replacement overshoes arrive. Got way too cold yesterday.
 
Just a quick question, if anyone knows. Any advice yet, re. the new, more contagious coronavirus variant, regarding the safety of public places, such as shops, transport etc? Is existing guidance (2m spacing plus face masks) still effective? I'm very fortunate indeed that I work from home and live alone, but I guess that leaves shops as my biggest risk factor. How safe are they and what's the best advice re. risk minimisation?

Whats happened with the new variant, its made those spaces even more of a risk, being more contagious. Its not really done anything else.
If your worried go when its really quiet or order online.
 
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