Corbyn “would have been the right thing” to arrest Isis leader al-Baghdadi rather than kill him.

[cupid_stunt]

Thought I would keep this away from the election threads, to avoid massive derails, and because it deserves its own thread.

The Labour leader, who is currently campaigning in Scotland, told reporters that al-Baghdadi “being removed from the scene is a very good thing”. But he questioned whether it was necessary to kill the terrorist leader.

“If it would have been possible to arrest him – I don’t know the details of the circumstances at the time, I’ve only seen various statements put out by the US about it – surely that would have been the right thing to do,” Corbyn told LBC.

He doesn't know 'the details of the circumstances at the time', so why the fuck is he commenting on it?

Al-Baghdadi, the leader of Isis, was killed last month after he detonated a suicide vest during a raid conducted by US military.

General Election 2019: Jeremy Corbyn questions move to kill Isis leader rather than arrest him - CityAM

Anyone fancy trying to arrest a leader of a murder & rape sect, that's wearing a fucking suicide vest?

The media, and the Tories, are going to be all over this, what massive own goal.

 

[chilango]

He's right though.

 

[SpackleFrog]

He's right though.

Technically, yeah, but also, he said himself he didn't know the circumstances and just no.

 

[Pickman's model]

Thought I would keep this away from the election threads, to avoid massive derails, and because it deserves its own thread.



He doesn't know 'the details of the circumstances at the time', so why the fuck is he commenting on it?



Anyone fancy trying to arrest a leader of a murder & rape sect, that's wearing a fucking suicide vest?

The media, and the Tories, are going to be all over this, what massive own goal.

Yeh who needs the rule of law, better to kill everyone you don't like

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

If it would have been possible to arrest him – I don’t know the details of the circumstances at the time, I’ve only seen various statements put out by the US about it – surely that would have been the right thing to do,” Corbyn told LBC.

 

[Pickman's model]

If it would have been possible to arrest him – I don’t know the details of the circumstances at the time, I’ve only seen various statements put out by the US about it – surely that would have been the right thing to do,” Corbyn told LBC.

Damn you with your putting things in context

 

[chilango]

I don't see the big deal in what he said tbh.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

A better question is this: given Corbyn knew it was a trap being laid for him - why did he choose to walk into it?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I don't see the big deal in what he said tbh.

Do you follow UK politics at all Chilango?

 

[Spymaster]

If it would have been possible to arrest him – I don’t know the details of the circumstances at the time, I’ve only seen various statements put out by the US about it – surely that would have been the right thing to do,” Corbyn told LBC.

It's always possible to arrest these shitbags once you know where they are. It's just a question of what resources you're prepared to commit to doing it and what casualties are considered worth taking. Personally I'd have dropped a big, fat, bomb on the cunt's head and be done with it but the yanks seem to have acted with commendable restraint in this case and actually committed ground forces to the operation.

 

[andysays]

I don't see the big deal in what he said tbh.

I don't disagree with what he's said, but if he actually wants Labour to do well in the up-coming General Election, he might be advised to stick to the sort of issues where his opinions are likely to reflect the views of the electorate, and in particular those who are yet be persuaded to vote for his party.

I really don't think weighing in on the al Baghdadi issue does that, TBH, and is more likely to be used against him.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I don't think this is going to cost him anything tbh. He might as well be honest. Although if I'm being honest, I'm happy Baghdadi is dead. The prospect of him living out his days in a cozy cell in the Hague does not appeal to me.

 

[Chilli.s]

He's not too sharp when pushed to comment.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I don't think this is going to cost him anything tbh. He might as well be honest. Although if I'm being honest, I'm happy Baghdadi is dead. The prospect of him living out his days in a cozy cell in the Hague does not appeal to me.

It's not a matter of being honest or not. It'a matter of refusing to offer up free hits to he media.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

A better question is this: given Corbyn knew it was a trap being laid for him - why did he choose to walk into it?

He can't not walk into it, though, can he? Refusing to answer or giving a mealy-mouthed answer would also have been used against him. See also the nonsense about nukes.

It gets certain tabloids excited but I don't think it makes much difference come polling day, and Corbyn will know that. So why not choose to be truthful?

 

[Fez909]

because it deserves its own thread

Why?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Tactically this makes no difference at all to Labour's campaign. Plus - and I know some people may laugh at this sort of naivety - being consistent and also right is kind of good isn't it?

 

[Spymaster]

I don't disagree with what he's said, but if he actually wants Labour to do well in the up-coming General Election, he might be advised to stick to the sort of issues where his opinions are likely to reflect the views of the electorate, and in particular those who are yet be persuaded to vote for his party.

I really don't think weighing in on the al Baghdadi issue does that, TBH, and is more likely to be used against him.

Steptoe comprehensively fucked himself on foreign policy with his responses to the Salisbury attacks. This is grist to the mill for his detractors but they hardly needed it.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

He can't not walk into it, though, can he? Refusing to answer or giving a mealy-mouthed answer would also have been used against him. See also the nonsense about nukes.

It gets certain tabloids excited but I don't think it makes much difference come polling day, and Corbyn will know that. So why not choose to be truthful?

He doesn't need to refuse to answer. He needs to give a non-answer whilst also making a point entirely unrelated to it that scores him points and plays well with the public.

So he could have said "not appraised of all the facts blah. range of options in these situations blah, important we don't let these scumbags take away our values blah. And by the way the Tories have cut the defence budget and let our veterans down. Loads are homeless. The tories cant be trusted on defence etc"

Politicians do it all the while.

 

[Fez909]

He doesn't need to refuse to answer. He needs to give a non-answer whilst also making a point entirely unrelated to it that scores him points and plays well with the public.

So he could have said "not appraised of all the facts blah. range of options in these situations blah, important we don't let these scumbags take away our values blah. And by the way the Tories have cut the defence budget and let our veterans down. Loads are homeless. The tories are scum"

Politicians do it all the while.

You're right, but those answers are one of the reasons people hate politicians.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

He doesn't need to refuse to answer. He needs to give a non-answer whilst also making a point entirely unrelated to it that scores him points and plays well with the public.

So he could have said "not appraised of all the facts blah. range of options in these situations blah, important we don't let these scumbags take away our values blah. And by the way the Tories have cut the defence budget and let our veterans down. Loads are homeless. The tories are scum"

Politicians do it all the while.

This is all true. However, it's also one of the main reasons why people hate politicians so much - that they are answering from a script.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You're right, but those answers are one of the reasons people hate politicians.

Snap!

 

[Smokeandsteam]

You're right, but those answers are one of the reasons people hate politicians.

But they still need to elect one of them PM

 

[Dogsauce]

Russians had him in custody for ages anyway, before letting him out for Trump’s little canned hunting expedition. A favour from Putin. Wibble. </tinfoil>

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Steptoe comprehensively fucked himself on foreign policy with his responses to the Salisbury attacks. This is grist to the mill for his detractors but they hardly needed it.

True, but it allows them to recycle his anti-imperialism of fools greatest hits.

He really should try, especially for the next month, to say things that might inspire those not currently planning to vote for him to think again. A big ask but there is an important event coming up ...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

True, but it allows them to recycle his anti-imperialism of fools greatest hits..

tbh I don't think they make as much of that as they could really, given that Corbyn has actually said dodgy things himself, not just ignored the dodgy things said by others.

 

[chilango]

Do you follow UK politics at all Chilango?

Funnily enough, yes.

I really don't think people will give much of a fuck.

 

[SpookyFrank]

It's not a matter of being honest or not. It'a matter of refusing to offer up free hits to he media.

They're gonna take their shots just the same either way.

 

[brogdale]

Funnily enough, yes.

I really don't think people will give much of a fuck.

Agreed; those that will are already lost to the vermin/falangist cause.

 

[chilango]

I don't disagree with what he's said, but if he actually wants Labour to do well in the up-coming General Election, he might be advised to stick to the sort of issues where his opinions are likely to reflect the views of the electorate, and in particular those who are yet be persuaded to vote for his party.

I really don't think weighing in on the al Baghdadi issue does that, TBH, and is more likely to be used against him.

I agree he needs to stick to Labour's message of "real change" etc. and not get sucked into distraction.

But that's about missing opportunities rather than active damage.