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Corbyn “would have been the right thing” to arrest Isis leader al-Baghdadi rather than kill him.

Smokeandsteam said:
He doesn't need to refuse to answer. He needs to give a non-answer whilst also making a point entirely unrelated to it that scores him points and plays well with the public.

So he could have said "not appraised of all the facts blah. range of options in these situations blah, important we don't let these scumbags take away our values blah. And by the way the Tories have cut the defence budget and let our veterans down. Loads are homeless. The tories cant be trusted on defence etc"

Politicians do it all the while.
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Mandelsoning it would be absolutely the worst thing he could do now.
 
brogdale said:
Agreed; those that will are already lost to the vermin/falangist cause.
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Bit pessimistic no? Not everyone who wants fundamentalist terrorist leaders killed rather than arrested is a totally lost cause.


Spymaster said:
It's always possible to arrest these shitbags once you know where they are. It's just a question of what resources you're prepared to commit to doing it and what casualties are considered worth taking. Personally I'd have dropped a big, fat bomb on the cunts head and be done with it but the yanks seem to have acted with commendable restraint in this case and actually committed ground forces to the operation.
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Take Spymaster for example, I wouldn't say he was a hopeless case.
 
Lets face it, the type of people who will object to this comment are not the type of people who will be likely to vote for him anyway.
Also, LBC is not listened to in the consituencies where it matters in this election!
 
chilango said:
I agree he needs to stick to Labour's message of "real change" etc. and not get sucked into distraction.

But that's about missing opportunities rather than active damage.
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Yeah, I agree, I don't think this one statement will do that much damage, it's more about keeping his focus and maximising getting Labour's message across without being side-tracked or distracted.
 
I am fine with them killing him rather than arresting. I think Corbin is a bit daft on many things. This makes no difference to my intention or otherwise to vote labour.
 
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No mention of it in the six o'clock news fwiw, although of course it's the top story on the mail online. He does seem particularly rubbish at these sorts of questions
 
FiFi said:
Lets face it, the type of people who will object to this comment are not the type of people who will be likely to vote for him anyway.
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That’s a really good point. In elections you should only bother speaking to the people who agree with you and are already going to vote for you.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
That’s a really good point. In elections you should only bother speaking to the people who agree with you and are already going to vote for you.
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:D
I was thinking about the effect it will have overall.
I think floating voters are already aware that Corbyn is the sort of politician who will look for other options before using lethal force.
 
FiFi said:
:D
I was thinking about the effect it will have overall.
I think floating voters are already aware that Corbyn is the sort of politician who will look for other options before using lethal force.
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The "soft on terrorists" meme is really only an issue for a small number of headbangers IMO, and it keeps getting repeated because, well, Tory membership, Telegraph subscribers etc are composed of a small number of headbangers.
 
FiFi said:
:D
I was thinking about the effect it will have overall.
I think floating voters are already aware that Corbyn is the sort of politician who will look for other options before using lethal force.
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Given that he wants to shift the debate off Brexit trying to turn it into one about his soggy pacifism/dubious anti imperialism shtick perhaps needs a rethink?

Some of the comments on here are priceless. ‘Well I agree with him’ so what your daft twat, you are already voting for him.

It can’t be stressed enough that Corbyn can only win by persuading people who don’t agree with him on some of this stuff but have voted labour in the past. What his fan club thinks is irrelevant
 
Smokeandsteam said:
Given that he wants to shift the debate off Brexit trying to turn it into one about his soggy pacifism/dubious anti imperialism shtick perhaps needs a rethink?

Some of the comments on here are priceless. ‘Well I agree with him’ so what your daft twat, you are already voting for him.

It can’t be stressed enough that Corbyn can only win by persuading people who don’t agree with him on some of this stuff but have voted labour in the past. What his fan club thinks is irrelevant
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I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying. Unfotunately a nauanced message on foreign policy dosn't seem to get much of a hearing in the press/media. How can he put his views across as a "soundbite" that will play well?
 
Smokeandsteam said:
Corbyn’s general worldview is not widely shared.
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Maybe. So what? Whether people share his worldview or not is irrelevant to how effective this very specifically targeted "soft on terrorists" campaign will ever be. As I've said I think it's illusory and based on a limited view of the world and who counts in it.
 
FiFi said:
I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying. Unfotunately a nauanced message on foreign policy dosn't seem to get much of a hearing in the press/media. How can he put his views across as a "soundbite" that will play well?
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I’ve already posted how I’d have answered it. Give the press fuck all. Keep pushing it into the issues that count. Keep hammering the Tories
 
FridgeMagnet said:
Maybe. So what? Whether people share his worldview or not is irrelevant to how effective this very specifically targeted "soft on terrorists" campaign will ever be. As I've said I think it's illusory and based on a limited view of the world and who counts in it.
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I rest my case. Fucking hell
 
cupid_stunt said:
Thought I would keep this away from the election threads, to avoid massive derails, and because it deserves its own thread.



He doesn't know 'the details of the circumstances at the time', so why the fuck is he commenting on it? :facepalm:



Anyone fancy trying to arrest a leader of a murder & rape sect, that's wearing a fucking suicide vest? :hmm:

The media, and the Tories, are going to be all over this, what massive own goal.
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Did Corbyn ever offer his opinion on when Bin Laden was assassinated by Navy Seals?
 
Smokeandsteam said:
Idiots who hadn’t a basic grasp of history might have yes. Like idiots now who think their personal view of Corbyn’s posturing means fuck all
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No, really the referendum party were widely regarded as loons; they got 2 or 3 % in the 1997 GE. But they persisted with a view not widely held. Just saying, that politics doesn't have to be populist to succeed.
 
brogdale said:
No, really the referendum party were widely regarded as loons; they got 2 or 3 % in the 1997 GE. But they persisted with a view not widely held. Just saying, that politics doesn't have to be populist to succeed.
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Keep plugging away comrades ;):thumbs:
 
cupid_stunt said:
Thought I would keep this away from the election threads, to avoid massive derails, and because it deserves its own thread.



He doesn't know 'the details of the circumstances at the time', so why the fuck is he commenting on it? :facepalm:



Anyone fancy trying to arrest a leader of a murder & rape sect, that's wearing a fucking suicide vest? :hmm:

The media, and the Tories, are going to be all over this, what massive own goal.
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if you can sneak in and steal his fucking underpants i'm guessing it was not that heavy fortified

its not you send the cunt a card saying we are raiding today


you know my main reason for being against the death plenty its because it to easy on the guy killed

better to be locked in a prison and watch your life work waste away to nothing
 
brogdale said:
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Wasn't really attempting some motivational style post! Just saying, that just because one/some of Corbyn's views might not be widely shared/popular does not necessarily mean they are less than valid.
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Aye totally was just engaging in some self reflection!

I think he could have just swerved this though, it's not really important.
 
I am no fan of Corbyn but he could personally drop a terrorist leader off of the 32 story of a skyscraper said terrorist had been besieging and which JC - in a vest, perhaps armed with a giant marrow- had liberated and the Mail and Telegraph would still criticise Corbyn for not saying ‘Yippee-Kai-ey motherfucker’ as he did so.
 
Lots of things 'would have been the right thing to do' but weren't done. It probably would have the right thing to give Mussolini a fair war-crimes trial, but instead, 'Twang'.

Surely one can think that something would been the right thing to do but not think for one moment that that's what should have happened.

Not something that can be conveyed in an answer to a journalist, perhaps.
 
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