Commie Bastards have one more success in Nepal!

[revol68]

anyone else wondering why these great maoists haven't exactly been setting the urban proletariat alight with revolutionary fervour, actually they have set quite a few of them alight.

Those mad maoists can keep fighting a brutal war they can't outright win all the while any chance of actual effective resistance to the monarchists gets shat down the drain with hundreds of working class lives. Fucking fantastic.

Does anyone have any details on non maoist groups in Nepal ie labour/ trade union organisations? Im sure thre must be quite a few in the Urban areas? no?

Anyway even the maoists win, all we can look forward to is some brutal capital accumulation via the exploitation of it's peasant base and perhaps some nice wee power struggles over control of the Party, but if all the good little Orientalists on the internet pray extra hard to Chairman Mao perhaps we'll even see a great leap forward. Hows that for a deal? Can't say fairer than that.

 

[Ryazan]

Don't know if this needs updating-

http://www.broadleft.org/np.htm

 

[revol68]

cheers for that list.

is there any other details about these groups or perhaps some articles or position statements from any of them?

 

[Flavour]

Revol68: What was so fucking great about the Prague Spring anyway? Bunch of capitalists.

 

[revol68]

pardon? are you seriously equating the events of Prague 68 with these fuckwit maoists?

 

[Flavour]

Nah the Maoists are much better. I wouldn't dream of comparing those Czech numpties with the Nepalese.

 

[Ryazan]

Revol68: What was so fucking great about the Prague Spring anyway? Bunch of capitalists.

Not nessescarily. Same kind of shitty dismissal used by some when trying to explain away Hungary 12 years previously.

I know that there are three main Communist groups in Nepal in opposition to the government, but as for smaller parties, they are that marginalised and tiny that I haven't had any in depth information about them. Some of the them are right-wing anyway. I think the Monring Star had a link for the one parties, (Unified Marxist-Leninist). There is a Nepal Workers and Peasants Party, but it's influecnce is scant. Indian politcal (student of otherwise) groups help Dalits but without a leader like Dr Ambedkar in Nepal they are pretty fucked. Although with the Maoist insurgency creating shit, previous blocking of employment have opened up opportunites in in the army. Taking bullets for the governent or the maoists. Either way they are in a very vulnerable situation. That has been covered though in another article on the first link I posted.

 

[Streathamite]

anyone else wondering why these great maoists haven't exactly been setting the urban proletariat alight with revolutionary fervour, actually they have set quite a few of them alight.

Those mad maoists can keep fighting a brutal war they can't outright win all the while any chance of actual effective resistance to the monarchists gets shat down the drain with hundreds of working class lives. Fucking fantastic.

Does anyone have any details on non maoist groups in Nepal ie labour/ trade union organisations? Im sure thre must be quite a few in the Urban areas? no?

Anyway even the maoists win, all we can look forward to is some brutal capital accumulation via the exploitation of it's peasant base and perhaps some nice wee power struggles over control of the Party, but if all the good little Orientalists on the internet pray extra hard to Chairman Mao perhaps we'll even see a great leap forward. Hows that for a deal? Can't say fairer than that.

are you actually speaking from a position of knowledge here in any nway, or just making huge assumptions?

 

[revol68]

are you actually speaking from a position of knowledge here in any nway, or just making huge assumptions?

Speaking of a position of knowledge in that I have some sort of historical grasp and atleast a degree of critical faculty. Making huge assumptions in that all I have to go on is some piss poor reports from Nepal itself. Hence why i was interested in finding out about other groups in Nepal, as things are never normally black and white.

And I take it your rush to embrace the Maoists (albeit via binary solidarity) is done so from a position of knowledge? Or perhaps a knee jerk erection at the sight of peasants with RPG's?

I like to remain skeptical of any armed groups who have a fondness for blowing up urban areas in the name of "the people", I also like to find out if there are alternatives to the "us or them" politic that seems to engulf the left as some as issues move outside Europe.

Then again maybe thats because Im from Northern Ireland and hence have had it up to hear with leftie wankers cheerleading anti working class scum as they sacrifice life after life in the name of the "people" or the "nation".

 

[Streathamite]

I will respond to this thought-fee, logic-empty, assumptive, unsubstantiative and - in short - monumnetally silly post when I have the time to dismantle it properly!

 

[revol68]

mate, i doubt you could dismantle a Harry Potter Lego Hogwarths.

 

[Streathamite]

Thank you for your marvellously mature, well-thought-through, well-backed-up and generally invaluable contribution to this thread

 

[revol68]

I'm not hearing any dismantling. Are you using some sort of ultra sonic demolition kit? From all your bluster I was expecting something a bit more explosive.

 

[Streathamite]

I'm not hearing any dismantling. Are you using some sort of ultra sonic demolition kit? From all your bluster I was expecting something a bit more explosive.

is your grasp of english good enough to understand the following phrase?

I will respond to this <snip> when I have the time to dismantle it properly!

Now, is that so difficult?
edit; will follow up later

 

[Ryazan]

Wonder how the Naxolites are getting on these days. I think they may be supportive of what is happening in Nepal, and vise versa.

 

[sihhi]

Wonder how the Naxolites are getting on these days. I think they may be supportive of what is happening in Nepal, and vise versa.

Well Naxals trained some members of the CPNM PWG/PLA in Rolpa and Rukum regions before the Indian government in 2004 started manning the border more fully.

ReConflict in general-- it's hard to guage an accurate picture because of media problems. It's certainly not true I'd've thought that there are only two sides as Jezza seemed to suggest.
The Maoists are willing to compromise with the monarchy for a start and were engaged in talks in 2003.
There are other parties including parties CPN United Marxist Leninist, splinter CPN Marxist Leninist), Nepal Workers Farmers

One or two ethnic type parties Samyukta Front- a party of mostly Dalits and Magar people and Rashtriya Front.

aswell as anti-monarchist social democrats Congress and its split Congress Democratic.

CPNM are not universally supported by the peasantry not simply because amny are bribed or threatened by landlords.

The alcohol ban in liberated areas.
Aswell as the restrictions on alcohol and increase in cost when on sale brought about by the Maoist women's federation is unpopular.
The talks with the govt are listed here
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ProletarianNews/message/7
BBC has stuff about when the restrictions came into effect.

Re-education and sometimes violence against people who give the RNA food are also very unpopular.

There are instances of non-state villager lynchings of CPNM rebels- sometimes resulting in multiple deaths
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4151278.stm

Besides the Maoists are willing to make a deal with a progressive monarch as they were with.

The execution of Nepalis in Iraq in 2004 meant huge violent anti-Kashmiri pogroms which apparently some of the CPNM participated in.

 

[poet]

Don't like the royals, don't like the maoists. I just feel desperately sorry for the nepalese, been there a couple of times and most people I spoke to just want them both to pack it in.

 

[Ryazan]

Where is red jezza?

 

[revol68]

building that ultra sonic demolition tool that is tearing apart my argument in a eerie silence.

He is just TOOOO good.

 

[Streathamite]

building that ultra sonic demolition tool that is tearing apart my argument in a eerie silence.

He is just TOOOO good.

waiting to have the time and patience to deal with daily mail-indoctrinated brain-damaged ideiots like you, lickle boy (i.e. tomorrow!) sorry, you're just not important enough to be worth that much time (compared to iraq etc..)

 

[revol68]

still waiting kiddo.

 

[rocketman]

Don't like the royals, don't like the maoists. I just feel desperately sorry for the nepalese, been there a couple of times and most people I spoke to just want them both to pack it in.

Most people just want to get on with their lives. It's always a selection of elites mustering a variety if different populist arguments that march people to war. Same in every other war.

 

[Macabre]

I was in Nepal for 5 weeks in April/May and my experiences with the Maoists were nothing but bad. When I was in Pohkara there were two bomb blasts while I was there, the locals were not even slightly supportive of the Maoist. The ones I talked two thought that no matter who won they were fucked. They said they frequantly held road blocks on major roads into the city were they 'tax' people to fund the revolution, and by 'tax' they mean 'forced off the bus and held at gun point then robbed of all the cash and food'.

It was the same on the trek and rafting trip I went on, the locals were shit scared of the Maoists. Again they would come into the villages and take food from them, this ranged from demanding a bag of rice or lentals(taking a bag doesnt sound like much to us but its a lot to them, they produce very little excess for trade and have to travel kilometers over the mountains to neibouring villages to trade it) etc to robbing them of every last bit of food they had.

When I was on a bus from Pohkara to Lumbini we got stopped by a Maoist road block, from outside they were all shouting in Nepali waving and pointing their guns at the bus. Everyone on the bus was fucking shitting themselves and then a few of the maoists came on the bus still shouting and pointing guns until they saw me and two other tourists there. Only then they decided not to do anything, but they looked mighty pissed off at us for having spoiled their raid. We got charged the 'tourist tax' of 100 rupees a day (thats what the maoists charge, everyone just says a day or two) and they left. When the bus got to Lambini every single Nepali vigerously shook our hands and thanked us for being their.

Hardly a revolution for the people by the people, its shoe on the other foot revolutionary bullshit. Cast and race are huge problems in Nepal and the king is a bastard, but what the Maoists are doing is just as bad and the tide of popular opinion within the country was against them when I was there.

 

[fishfingerer]

The maoists are ruining people's holidays. They should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

 

[Macabre]

The maoists are ruining people's holidays. They should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

Ehh, no. Us tourists being on that bus stopped the locals being robbed to 'fund the revolution'. The Maoists go out of their way to make sure that tourists arent harmed, well they did until recently, but IME and from what Nepalis told me in practise the majority of them are nothing more than thugs as the power has gone to their head.

 

[fishfingerer]

Scuse me, but I don't think that anyone who chooses to spend their holidays traipsing around a dirt poor civil war ravaged country is in a very strong position to lecture the maoists or anyone else about ethics.

 

[Macabre]

War ravaged? Hardly. The locals want tourists there to help them make a living, when my friends and I left all the Nepalis told us to tell others its safe to come there (not really, but its unlikely something would happen to a tourist). Its easy for you to coment on how a country should be run while you're tucked up safe on the other side of the world but this revolution if fucking the people in what is already one of the poorest countries in the world. Im not saying it isnt in need of a revolution as the kings a cunt but this one stinks of heres the new boss, same as the old boss.

 

[sihhi]

STOP PRESS: Maoists have announced a cease-fire to try and garner support of the liberal parties Congress and CPNML in particular I'd imagine.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SP139721.htm

"During this period, our People's Liberation Army (PLA) will be in defensive positions," Prachanda said in a statement made available to Reuters.

I think Prachanda knows what he's doing.

 

[Ryazan]

War ravaged? Hardly. The locals want tourists there to help them make a living, when my friends and I left all the Nepalis told us to tell others its safe to come there (not really, but its unlikely something would happen to a tourist). Its easy for you to coment on how a country should be run while you're tucked up safe on the other side of the world but this revolution if fucking the people in what is already one of the poorest countries in the world. Im not saying it isnt in need of a revolution as the kings a cunt but this one stinks of heres the new boss, same as the old boss.

Sure it was a great holiday for you and your mates.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Anyone who quotes Frank "what the fuck am I doing on a Nazi U-boat" Ryan should be taken outside and given a swift beating.

Not only was he a useless stalinist stooge but he went on to become a useless nazi stooge!

That's a remarkably mean-spirited assessment of a man who dedicated his life to fighting for the working class. I'm not a fan of his politics, and think that there is a lot to be learned from a critique of his "popular front" politics and his nationalism, but there are also things to be learnt in a more positive sense from his tenacity and his involvement in a whole series of struggles. The question as to why exactly Ryan, who had gone to Spain to fight fascism, ended up in a German U-Boat is an important one for socialists in Ireland, but simply dismissing the man as a stooge either of the CP (which he always refused to join) or the Nazis is simplistic and unhelpful.

As for the mad maoist of nepal, well from what I've read, their concept of a general strike is to tell people not to go to work or they'll be shot and to plant bombs in urban centres. just cos they are better than the monarchy is hardly a justification for supporting them, especially when they aren't exactly the only options. Or has everyone given up that old idea of working class self emancipation in favour of sexy images of guerilla fighters with RPG's?

The degree to which there actually is a working class in Nepal, as opposed to a peasantry, is an interesting question. I think though that both the cheerleaders of the Maoists and their critics on this thread have got the wrong end of the stick when it comes to their programme however. As I understand it, their aim, is neither socialism nor a vicious Stalinist dictatorship but some form of capitalist republic, in keeping with the deeply ingrained Stalinist stageist approach.