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*Classical Composers: The Best

Who is your Favourite Classical Composer?


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Used to like Tavener - but that hair! And the Oedipus complex!!! Its beautiful music, but, often, sickly-beautiful.

Purcell is wonderful - as is Vaughan Williams - English music can be so elegantly understated. As, often, can the English.

I'd like the St Matthew's Passion at my funeral: Klemplerer conducting. Last aria of Movement 1. :)
 
too drunk to actually READ the thread, but my limited classical tastes run to

prokofiev
arvo part
tavener
steve reich (does he count?)
vaughan williams
elgar
delius.

and that's about it i'm afraid
 
Stravinsky - Rite of Spring & Firebird as mentioned, and Petrushka & Orpheus Rex are cracking too. Changed the face of 'classical' music, inspiring riots! must be good. introduction of popular peasant tunes into the works was considered all but sacriligeous, but is actually magnificent. the bit han refers too (i think) is also marvellous grinding stuff, i think foetus used it as intro music for a while.

dunno if kurt weill would count, he wrote opera's so he should, but you'd like him a lot i reckon, libretto's by brecht sometimes, mahoganny & threepenny opera look out for.

and for a bit more bombast (and lots of sweet subtle bits too) i'm surprised no ones mentioned Mahler. fucking top chap. numbers 5 and 9, for starters.
 
Dr. Christmas said:
Francis George Scott (Scots composer from the 20s/30s)
Wooooooh <wiggly fingers under chin> la la; Dr Chris wins the obscure name check.

I'll see your FG Scott, and raise you a Hugh MacDiarmid. Scott may have been responsible for the sequencing of the magnificent Drunk Man Looks At the Thistle.
 
No-one seems to have mentioned Brahms yet which is a bit of a shame. As well as coming up with some damn good tunes, he had a good musical sense of humour - a bit of a relief when compared to some of the other rather po-faced composers of the nineteenth century. His thumpingly-good Academic Festival Overture is basically a medley of student drinking songs of the time.

There's a lot of good English twentieth century composers. Elgar's cello concerto takes some beating. And Holst's 'Planets Suite' should go down with you well, Ernie, as you like Beethoven (Holst was a good leftie as well, if that's any encouragement!).
 
Are we talking classical as in literally the classical period of music, or are we talking orchestral type music generally (which is what the term is usually and wrongly applied to)?

If the latter, my faves are Tippett (Triple and Piano Concerto), Britten and Vaughan Williams
 
JS Bach -truly fantastic. Sublimely complex music, very calming, and wonderful to listen to if working at home - I find it really aids concentration. Piano and violin concertos (two of my favourite instruments), and lots of others.

Mozart - great stuff all round really. Hi Requiem is wonderful.

Beethoven - wonderful symphonies - love 6 (Pastoral) and 9 (Choral). 9 particualry just has to be played loud.

Mahler.

A really nice piece, especially to listen to in bed as you drift off to sleep, is Gorecki's 3rd Symphony - Symphony of Sorrowful Songs. Very soothing, with a wonderful soprano.

Classical music is just fantastic - so many great composers. We are so lucky in Europe having such a musical heritage. A good start for you ernie would be to listen to Radio 3 - a wealth of good music on there. :)
 
farmerbarleymow said:
Mozart - great stuff all round really. Hi Requiem is wonderful.

That's why I voted for him - specifically, for Laudate Dominum.

Although it was a close call between him & Beethoven - for his 9th, which (I think) they played at a Militant rally I once attended!
 
pilchardman said:
Wooooooh <wiggly fingers under chin> la la; Dr Chris wins the obscure name check.

I'll see your FG Scott, and raise you a Hugh MacDiarmid. Scott may have been responsible for the sequencing of the magnificent Drunk Man Looks At the Thistle.

Pah! of course Scott and MacDiarmid met long before that: Scott was the schoolboy MacDiarmid's English teacher at Langholm Academy.

The legend is Scott arranged A Drunk Man whilst MacDiarmid got hoplessly pissed on whisky one night in Montrose (I've walked past the house where it allegedly happened, too.)

My wife walked down the aisle to an FG piano air on our wedding day. :) :cool:
 
Anna Key said:
I'm not trying to pick a fight here but Bach is a bit of a churchy bore.

He goes on so. His B Minor Mass, unless performed with tiny forces, boy trebles (and, ideally, altos too) and authentic instruments is the most terrific bum-freezer.


There are so many better baroque composers who wrote secular music. Music which celebrates not just cerebral/intellectual/rational churchy things but physical passion and pleasure and eating and drinking and getting laid.

Bach is so damn precious. And had no sense of humour. He was a dry, ernest, devout Lutheran moralist, knee deep in religious nonsense. Much over-rated. And Leclair is simply a better composer.


I agree about the Bm Mass but on your other points you are well off the mark. Leclair a 'better' composer than the father of counterpoint? No fucking way. He alone basically invented and mastered a form of music until then or since unequaled.
He also wrote plenty, and I mean plenty, (3 or 4 hundred), secular peices to be played and enjoyed at home - orchestral suites, concertos, partitas etc. He was a church-goer, it was his job after all and came up with a cantata every week. He was known to have written some of the most moving pieces of music ever before breakfast.

The man's greatness simply cannot be overstated in the world of music. His works can be transcribed for many instruments, they are challenging both to the ear and for the performer at times. But the sense of completeness after a fugue has reached resolution is a cosmic wonder.

Ern. Do your self a favour - Bach is the man to understand, there is a piece for any occasion and mood. He wrote 2000 works and yes some can be heavy going.

To talk about the man having no sense of humour is irrelevant. His piety even less so.


FWIW others I also like

Bruch
Pagannini
Mozart
Beethoven
Corelli
Vivaldi
stack and stack more though.
 
Whoever mentined Glen Gould earlier. You're wrong - he's great. Not easy and his singing is a bit weird but you can't argue with the purity.
Listen to the difference between Murray Perihia's (sp?) and Gould's Goldberg variations. Amazing.
 
Erich Zann said:
Whoever mentined Glen Gould earlier. You're wrong - he's great. Not easy and his singing is a bit weird but you can't argue with the purity.
Listen to the difference between Murray Perihia's (sp?) and Gould's Goldberg variations. Amazing.

Nah, man. Rosalyn Tureck.
 
Gould's playing is based on Tureck's to quite a large extent. I like his organ recording of the Art of Fugue, and the Scriabin sonatas.
 
belboid said:
and for a bit more bombast (and lots of sweet subtle bits too) i'm surprised no ones mentioned Mahler. fucking top chap. numbers 5 and 9, for starters.

May I draw m'learned friend's attention to post number 79, between "Macmillan" and "Part"?

Yes, I do believe it says "Mahler" right there! :D :D :D

You really should stop drinking the meths, mate. It's making you go blind!
 
Fruitloop said:
Gould's playing is based on Tureck's to quite a large extent. I like his organ recording of the Art of Fugue, and the Scriabin sonatas.


Agreed. Not saying GG is the best - but he's not by any means bad. Just different. Lacks that over-emotional legato playing that others feel necessary to use all the time.
 
ViolentPanda said:
May I draw m'learned friend's attention to post number 79, between "Macmillan" and "Part"?

Yes, I do believe it says "Mahler" right there! :D :D :D

You really should stop drinking the meths, mate. It's making you go blind!
I beg your pardon! methinks me must have still been going 'who the fuck....?'

Now pass that bottle of ICI '92!


(oh, and just realised, that I meant Mahlers 4th, not 5th.

Playing Shostkovich's The Gadfly now, fucking A. My god, I've been inspired to do summat by Ernie! Whatver next?)
 
ernestolynch said:
go easy on me folks I's a beginner and all that

He He !

As you can see from this thread, the trouble with classical music is that there's so much of it that there are as many opinions as there are people. If you try to listen to every piece played end to end non stop, you'd be dead long before you'd heard a fraction of what's been written (I made that up but it sounds right).

My advice, for what it's worth, is to start by listening to the popular pieces by each composer (they're popular for a reason) and move on to exploring other work from there according to what YOU like, not what people say you should like. There are no rules. You don't HAVE to listen to an entire symphony if you only like the 4th movement (unless you're at a concert!). Few people would say that Brahms is their favourite composer and I find most of his 4th symphony boring, but the 3rd movement is rollickingly fantastic, so I listen to that then play something else.

Download these popular pieces first, you'll recognise most when you play them, then check out the other stuff by the blokes you like best:

Baroque -

Bach:
All the toccatas and fugues.
"Sleepers Awake".
Violin Concerto No.2
Concerto for 3 pianos
Brandenburg concertos

Vivaldi:
"Four Seasons"
"Gloria" ...... they are singing "glory in a Chelsea stadium" ;)

Handel:
"Music for the Royal Fireworks"
"Water Music"
"The arrival of the queen of Sheba"

Albinoni:
"Adaggio in Gm"

Charpentier:
"Te Deum" ...... Not as boring as it sounds.

Pachelbel:
"Canon"


Classical -

Mozart: By far the greatest composer that ever lived ...IMO ;). It's all good. Check out all the piano concerto's (that'll keep you busy). Probably the most famous is 21. The 1st and 3rd movements are technically awesome so you need to find a recording played by a top pianist (Ashkenazy's my choice), and the slow (2nd) movement is arguably the most recognisable piano piece ever written.

Also get "A Musical Joke". The theme tune for the BBc's "Horse of The Year". It was written as a pisstake and was said to illustrate the music of a bad composer played by crap musicians. I defy you not to laugh out loud at the last three chords.

Haydn:
Symphony 94 "Surprise"

JC Bach:
Try the sonatas and the overtures.

CPE Bach:
Lots of churchy god stuff, but try Symphony 1

J Stamitz:
Symphony in Dm.

Schubert:
"Trout Quintet"
Symphony No.8 is the famous "Unfinished" Symphony, and some say that it should never have been started. Hard work. Best left to the type of person who likes Mahler !!!

Beethoven: Second only to Mozart. Nuff said.


Romantic-

Chopin: Plenty of solo piano. A lot of short pieces so you can listen to loads of different stuff quite quickly which is quite satisfying when you first get into classical music. You'd get all the Preludes and Nocturnes on 1 CD.

Mendelssohn:
The 2 piano concertos
Violin Concerto in Dm

Brahms:
Symphony 4 (3rd movement)

Dvorak:
"Slavonic Dances"

Tchaikovsky:
Lot's of good stuff here but YOU will probably like the 2nd symphony "Little Russian". It was Stalins favourite piece :p .
Of course the "1812 Overture" is practically legendary.

Debussy:
"Claire de lune"

Some other composers of this period would be Liszt, Verdi, Bruckner, Mahler, Satie, Berlioz and Wagner (who was Hitlers favourite composer).


Modern-

Rachmaninov:
The piano concertos (3 I think)
"Rhapsody on a theme by Paganini"

Prokofiev:
Get both superb violin concertos. The second is particularly special.

Shostakovitch:
Again try both violin concertos. And the one that was used as the theme for "Reilly Ace of Spies", part of "The Gadfly" can't remember which.

Others here would be Stravinsky, Britten, Copland, Williams, Bernstein and Glass, some of whom I'm told, have mixed some half decent tracks ;) .

BE WARNED: THIS CAN TAKE OVER YOUR LIFE.

Good luck :D
 
Erich Zann said:
Whoever mentined Glen Gould earlier. You're wrong - he's great. Not easy and his singing is a bit weird but you can't argue with the purity.
Listen to the difference between Murray Perihia's (sp?) and Gould's Goldberg variations. Amazing.
Absolutely. He's the man for the Goldberg Variations. Although I go for Rosalyn Tureck's Well-Tempered thingy.

Spymaster, are you up on Schoenberg?
 
pilchardman said:
Spymaster, are you up on Schoenberg?

:D You know what I think of Schoenberg you tease.

But I'll listen to the piece again tonight. It'll probably sound better when I'm pissed ;) !
 
Erich Zann said:
I agree about the Bm Mass but on your other points you are well off the mark. Leclair a 'better' composer than the father of counterpoint? No fucking way. He alone basically invented and mastered a form of music until then or since unequaled.
Ah but there's the rub. I'd argue that counterpoint isn't 'true' or 'pure' music. It's a combination of maths and music, rationality and music, structure and music, almost science and music.

Isn't there even one Aria in the St Mattew Passion where poor old Judas is attempting to give back the 30 pieces of silver before topping himself and Bach - so number and order obsessed - deploys a bass line of precisely 30 notes, repeated over and over? I've never bothered to count.

Leclair, on the other hand, is steeped in Italian, German and French secular influences. His music is concerned with emotions and feelings not rationality, maths, logic and science.

If I want rationality I'll read a science book!
 
Anna Key said:
Ah but there's the rub. I'd argue that counterpoint isn't 'true' or 'pure' music. It's a combination of maths and music, rationality and music, structure and music, almost science and music.

And the counter-argument is about creativity within constraints. Thought-experiments like comparing what you might call the "average achievedness" of, say, Shakespeare's sonnets with that of, say, e e cummings' work suggest there's something in it.

I don't know a great deal about early c20 music, but I have the impression that a number of the attempts to produce "pure" music ended up very deeply mathematical indeed - the serialists, the aleatory (isn't that posh French for "random"?) stuff...
 
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