Class struggle is not politically correct ..

[Spion]

No, this strike is about class struggle, about clear attempts by the bosses to undermine existing rates and conditions - so no, i'll not be joining you, Peter Mandleson and the BNP by making this a race or nationalist issue thanks.

It's not me that's 100% uncritically behind a strike for Britsh Jobs for British Workers, Mr 'autonomous' w/c voice

 

[butchersapron]

It's not me that's 100% uncritically behind a strike for Britsh Jobs for British Workers, Mr 'autonomous' w/c voice

It's not me seeking to racialise or nationalise class issues. It's you, the right and the far right.

 

[rover07]

Bf4bw is a nationalist demand, no doubt about it. If that's what the strike is for, I'm against it. I'm reserving final judgement until I find out more about whether that actually is a demand of the strikers.

Do you support bj4bw?

I expect this has been said before.

I dont think it is about 'British jobs for British workers'. That soundbite is from Gordon Brown and is being used because it is an ironic way to hit back at the goverment over this dispute.
I doubt if the strikers are particularly racist or nationalistic and are probably used to working alongside many different nationalities.

Its a shame this slogan has been highlighted. Its very misleading.

 

[audiotech]

Mr 'autonomous' w/c voice

Rumoured academic and occasional co-author of phamplets nobody reads if you please.

 

[butchersapron]

Rumored academic? Whose been rumouring MC%?

 

[dennisr]

It's not me that's 100% uncritically behind a strike for Britsh Jobs for British Workers, Mr 'autonomous' w/c voice

But if you resort to that Spion - can't folk then argue that you are siding with the british press, the employers, the british government, the italian press, the BNPs take on events and mandleson? By default.

 

[belboid]

Rumoured academic and occasional co-author of phamplets nobody reads if you please.

any comment on the actual thread topic MC5? Wityhout wanting to sound all treelovery, it is peculiar how every single SWP member has disappeared and said absolutely nowt about this strike since the party line came down.

Embarrassed?

 

[Spion]

But if you resort to that Spion - can't folk then argue that you are siding with the british press, the employers, the british government, the italian press, the BNPs take on events and mandleson? By default.

are these people for no job cuts, no pay cuts, no undercutting by cheaper labour, for migrants to be unionised, for the rich to pay for a massive expansion of jobs, all under workers' control? If so, I'm with em

 

[Idaho]

It's not me seeking to racialise or nationalise class issues. It's you, the right and the far right.

Yeah Spion - it's you! You personally are propping up these views you fucking fascist

Butchers in political melodrama shocker

 

[Idaho]

are these people for no job cuts, no pay cuts, no undercutting by cheaper labour, for migrants to be unionised, for the rich to pay for a massive expansion of jobs, all under workers' control? If so, I'm with em

I support them defending their jobs. I think that being undercut by cheaper labour invariably overlaps with being undercut by foreign labour. You can make as much or as little of the overlap as your politics impels.

 

[trevhagl]

I support them defending their jobs. I think that being undercut by cheaper labour invariably overlaps with being undercut by foreign labour. You can make as much or as little of the overlap as your politics impels.

True but when have you heard the BNP campaigning for better wages , more workers rights etc?
They don't because they are ultra Tories

 

[TremulousTetra]

Reserving final judgement my arse, your position is clear - made clear by the rather cowardly hints at racism on any posts you've made about this.

No, this strike is about class struggle, about clear attempts by the bosses to undermine existing rates and conditions - so no, i'll not be joining you, Peter Mandleson and the BNP by making this a race or nationalist issue thanks.

The company that won the contract was on the news saying that it paid its Italian workers slightly more than he would have done the English workers. Probably true with the pound being worth virtually half what it was to the Euro several months ago. Is there evidence to say this is not the case?

 

[belboid]

is there evidence to say that it is the case? you taking the bosses word for things now? they always clam pay/t&c's are better than is the reality, you surely remember that?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Rumored academic? Whose been rumouring MC%?

Not me, I only slander him.

 

[TremulousTetra]

is there evidence to say that it is the case? you taking the bosses word for things now? they always clam pay/t&c's are better than is the reality, you surely remember that?

NO I ASKED,
Is there evidence to say this is not the case?

It looks like from a quote from the strikers too have been assured this, and are now asking for evidence that this true.

 

[Fruitloop]

How can conditions be said to be the same when one group of workers are being bussed into work from their accommodation on a prison ship?

 

[TremulousTetra]

can U read

The company that won the contract was on the news saying that it paid its Italian workers slightly more than he would have done the English workers. Probably true with the pound being worth virtually half what it was to the Euro several months ago. Is there evidence to say this is not the case?

 

[Fruitloop]

So it's likely that when the contract was entered into the euro workers were cheaper, but now that the arse has fallen out of the pound the brits might be? Hasta la vittoria siempre!

 

[TremulousTetra]

so you can read.

 

[Fruitloop]

Of course I can read numbnuts. What I don't get is why the rather coincidental fact that the UK govt is shafting the fuck out of the whole economy in order to pay off their mates changes the fact that when the contract was entered into the overseas workers were cheaper, and their conditions are still not in any way comparable to those of UK workers.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Of course I can read numbnuts. What I don't get is why the rather coincidental fact that the UK govt is shafting the fuck out of the whole economy in order to pay off their mates changes the fact that when the contract was entered into the overseas workers were cheaper, and their conditions are still not in any way comparable to those of UK workers.

none of which I mentioned, I just asked the simple question.

Another question. Is this true "changes the fact that when the contract was entered into the overseas workers were cheaper, and their conditions are still not in any way comparable to those of UK workers."

 

[Fruitloop]

I wasn't answering your question, which is why I didn't quote it.

 

[TremulousTetra]

oh, fair mistake. So whose question were you answering?

[that's why you should quote]

 

[audiotech]

Rumored academic? Whose been rumouring MC%?

Listened to that Bone podcast with PS - I'm assuming rather than rumour mongering tbh.

 

[audiotech]

Not me, I only slander him.

*writ served*

 

[butchersapron]

Listened to that Bone podcast with PS - I'm assuming rather than rumour mongering tbh.

Yes, PS did mention a few things we've been working on together, but no, i'm not an academic.

 

[audiotech]

Yes, PS did mention a few things we've been working on together, but no, i'm not an academic.

I'll take that as read then.

 

[Fuchs66]

How can conditions be said to be the same when one group of workers are being bussed into work from their accommodation on a prison ship?

Like I said elsewhere, have you ever been on a floatel? If you haven't why are you making assumptions about conditions on board? It's temporary accomodation and fairly comfortable temporary accomodation. If as has been said they are getting better wages then UK workers I'd have to say good for them also if the UK had joined the Euro zone when it had a decent exchange rate this discrepancy wouldn't have existed.

 

[brasicritique]

Fuck, you can't even spell and you have the brass neck to produce this? Not only are you an idiot, you're a pretty thick idiot who does nothing but stir up trouble.

no you are an idiot who has still not told us what you think about durutis opening post

As for originality, you wouldn't recognise it if it came up and punched you in the face.

that was not original

 

[brasicritique]

i agree VP ^^^ please please please people .. these are important times .. lets try to keep focused

well tell your snide hypocritical insecure classist middle class friends to get over themselves and try to comment on your opening post before piss poor attempts at flaming still i should have known alll you would do is arse lick those who have started flamming is because.......they are middle class like you which is why the only people listening to you are the same old galloway wannabes btw are you fedayn?