Charlie Richardson is brown bread

[butchersapron]

Reminds me of a time I was drinking outside the York Tavern in Angel, when reclaim the streets blocked off the streets, sand pits, etc - a sound system - it was a lovely sunny afternoon, and who should be sitting near us - Mad Frankie Fraser!


I will be able to use that one again when he eventually dies

Sitting on the road or outside the pub?

 

[DaveCinzano]

has there ever been any decent books by/about that lot? the autobiogs are appalling - reg krays thoughts and philospophy being one! frank frasers 1st was pretty readable tho. hes quite good at spinning a tale.

Ask Trev HAGL.

 

[marty21]

Sitting on the road or outside the pub?

He was drinking half of lager at a table outside the pub - I don't think he liked the road being blocked

 

[malatesta32]

bizarre stories of frank abound but my fave was in his autobiog where he wd poo off the landings and try to hit the screws. after 40yrs in jail he probably got quite good at it.

 

[The39thStep]

jack spot claimed he was at cable street but he is a known 'exaggerator' to be nice.

I don't think there is any evidence to say that he wasn't

 

[malatesta32]

i know, but the only source was jack himself, iirc, - i cant remember which hagiography it was in but folks felt it may not have been the case. youd have thought it wd be mentioned in other books n cable street cos theres plenty of them and none of mine mention him.

 

[barney_pig]

Jack spot was nicked at cable street and went down for 6 months- whether for his claim, that he and the boys were awaiting the BU fully tooled up, or for other crimes I do not know. just read about in Steven Dorril's Blackshirt.

 

[Wilf]

Did he have a hat - or was that Jack the Hat?

 

[Wilf]

Just a quiet funeral, no horses...

 

[DotCommunist]

that would be Jack 'the Hat' mcvitie


dunnohow he got the name, everyone wore hats then, it was unusual to go out the house bare headed

 

[Wilf]

that would be Jack 'the Hat' mcvitie


dunnohow he got the name, everyone wore hats then, it was unusual to go out the house bare headed

To be fair, when they hung you from a meathook, they did take their hats off - but never put their shoes on the table.

 

[marty21]

that would be Jack 'the Hat' mcvitie


dunnohow he got the name, everyone wore hats then, it was unusual to go out the house bare headed

I used to live across the road from the place he met his end (Evering Road, Stoke Newington) often saw tourists hanging about , I think Mad Frankie used to take coach parties there.

 

[Ted Striker]

that would be Jack 'the Hat' mcvitie


dunnohow he got the name, everyone wore hats then, it was unusual to go out the house bare headed

He liked chocolate digestive's

 

[Wilf]

Elegy for a fallen geezer

 

[malatesta32]

Jack spot was nicked at cable street and went down for 6 months- whether for his claim, that he and the boys were awaiting the BU fully tooled up, or for other crimes I do not know. just read about in Steven Dorril's Blackshirt.

thats interesting. im away at the moment and cant cross reference but i aint heard of it before. any links or owt chap?

 

[malatesta32]

that would be Jack 'the Hat' mcvitie


dunnohow he got the name, everyone wore hats then, it was unusual to go out the house bare headed

it was at the point where hat wearing was going out and male bouffants were coming in. both krays, despite eejit factor, were impeccably quaffed (?) and teds had already rejected hats by the late 50s youth in 60s never wore em. i have never seen any family photos of any bloke wearing hats in 50s and 60s. jack the hat was probably unusual in his millinary choices hence the name. he was also balding.

 

[malatesta32]

I used to live across the road from the place he met his end (Evering Road, Stoke Newington) often saw tourists hanging about , I think Mad Frankie used to take coach parties there.

yeah he does the whole kray/east end thing which is a wee bit odd cause he was an elephant boy and was with richardsons, ie, south london.

 

[Wilf]

it was at the point where hat wearing was going out and male bouffants were coming in. both krays, despite eejit factor, were impeccably quaffed (?) and teds had already rejected hats by the late 50s youth in 60s never wore em. i have never seen any family photos of any bloke wearing hats in 50s and 60s. jack the hat was probably unusual in his millinary choices hence the name. he was also balding.

I'd be honoured to be taught some respect by a bravo in a trilby.

 

[DRINK?]

I saw Jack the hat once walking down sloane street, looked like a little sad old man...


guess he must have run out of biccy's

 

[malatesta32]

bravo in a trilby? isnt that a smiths song? bravo in a trilby i know, i know, he is serious ... diddley dee ...

 

[Wilf]

bravo in a trilby? isnt that a smiths song? bravo in a trilby i know, i know, he is serious ... diddley dee ...

 

[CNT36]

This will probably revitalize Dave Courtney's "career"...

I saw Rancid last month and they didn't even wheel him out. Thuis will be just the boost he needs. He had resorted to doing talks in Truro for £13 a ticket.

 

[lizzieloo]

My old landlady's husband was a driver for them, she had some stories

 

[youngian]

A fitting tribute-