Change UK: Chuka Umunna resigns from Labour party and launches Independent Group

[TopCat]

I assume she was trying to make a rhetorical point on live TV, and her brain wasn't up to the task - the fact she bit it and rewound tells me she was aware she was on dodgy territory, and that's more important to me than insisting everyone has a pure as snow racism-free hive mind, because that's unrealistic.

You sink lower than I thought possible.

 

[Gramsci]

Chuka has been silent on accusations of institutional racism in Lambeth Council.

Something that been accusations of for quite some time.

Lambeth Unison calls for immediate action to ‘tackle institutional racism in the council’

 

[SpackleFrog]

Nottingham East Labour Party calls for Chris Leslie to resign

 

[8ball]

Hoping Tom Watson fucks off tomorrow.

 

[elbows]

I wonder if Owen Smith still intends to join them, but wants his own moment in the spotlight and so didnt want to do it at the same time as the 7.

 

[TopCat]

I'd be very surprised if she wasn't "racist". I am racist. I suspect you are racist. How can we not be racist? We are the product of a racist system. Let's grow PAST THAT BIT and admit and admire open self-awareness of inherited, pervasive, casual or institutional racism, look at our external manifestations of that racism and at ways to challenge that at every level. Pretending we aren't racist is precisely part of the problem.

You are sexist too, and almost certainly homophobic. Fucking own it. Then reject it.

Is this that movie fella?

 

[Wookey]

You sink lower than I thought possible.

Then you lack imagination.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

There was big swing to the LDs. Likely due to the LD position on opposing Brexit. Lambeth as a whole is one of the strongest Remain areas in the country.

The Labour candidate who won the Council seat was the new young New Labour side of party. But still the Labour percentage sent down. Looks like those who voted on a low turnout wanted to send national party a message.

or uninspired by the new labour gentrifying estate-bulldozing bunch? i'm not local so just speculating. was there a credible alternative? was it people switching to the LD's or previous labour voters abstaining?

snag with the new labour types is they see a bad election result as a sign they should move further right wing and faster, and see a good election result as justification for carrying on moving right

blargh

 

[agricola]

I wonder if Owen Smith still intends to join them, but wants his own moment in the spotlight and so didnt want to do it at the same time as the 7.

He's probably watching Seven Samurai right now to work out which character he could plausibly be; my money is on Rikichi.

 

[two sheds]

Not the peasant who's crying all the time?

 

[TopCat]

The footage of her fuck up is at 1.3 million views.

 

[TopCat]

They played it on the 2100 rolling news then at 2200 Laura K did a very different piece. Triumphant, accusatory. I think there were trumpets. No mention of fuck up.

 

[Shechemite]

Survation poll seems positive about the NCP (not the car parks or the stalinists).

 

[Gramsci]

or uninspired by the new labour gentrifying estate-bulldozing bunch? i'm not local so just speculating. was there a credible alternative? was it people switching to the LD's or previous labour voters abstaining?

snag with the new labour types is they see a bad election result as a sign they should move further right wing and faster, and see a good election result as justification for carrying on moving right

blargh

The Thornton Ward counts the least deprived in Lambeth. Unlike my Coldharbour Ward which is the most deprived. In the bottom 20% in the country. Thornton is south on me so don't know it so well. But it would have more middle class composition than my Ward ( despite Brixton being gentrified). The southern end of Thornton definitely so. Not Tory voters.

The Greens have been the credible alternative to Labour. Winning enough seats to become a recognised opposition. Council policies on libraries has been a big issue.

The wards with estates like Cressingham ( a Council estate under threat of registration) still vote Labour. Like my Coldharbour Ward. Labour vote is guaranteed. I did help canvass for ex Labour popular Cllr in Coldharbour she didn't get in ( last Council election). She stood as an Independent. People vote Labour and thats that.

The LDs used to have some seats. They were good Cllrs but lost them all when voters punished LDs for working with Tories and going back on promises about school fees.

So this result in Thornton has been a surprise. I think its due to LDs stance on Brexit. I don't know which bit of country your are from but Lambeth is Remain. And a lot of people are angry about Brexit. So LD have gained at expense of Labour who nationally appear to support some form of Brexit. So I think its switching.

As with LDs losing all seats due to Clegg getting into bed with Tories national issues affect small local elections like this one imo.

 

[oryx]

I'm saying she's almost certainly as casually racist as almost every other middle aged Northern working class woman I have ever met. It's hardly news. She will see Black and Brown people as different to her, we should assume that as a given.

I'd love to hear you say that to a roomful of my middle-aged, Northern, working-class female friends.

 

[Plumdaff]

If they were genuine I think they'd have to try and win in places like Streatham as it is in the most pro Remain part of the UK. But when it comes down to it they'd lose to Labour.

They're really about preventing mild social democracy at any cost so I think they'll stand in Midlands marginals on a largely policy free but virulently anti Corbyn ticket. They won't win but they'll possibly prevent a Labour government and then head off to the consultancy jobs their backers have lined up.

Newsnight was very enthusiastic about more MPs leaving tonight.

 

[Favelado]

I'd love to hear you say that to a roomful of my middle-aged, Northern, working-class female friends.

Some of them might even been black or brown themselves. Imagine!

 

[Wookey]

I'd love to hear you say that to a roomful of my middle-aged, Northern, working-class female friends.

Well, it depends on context, are we standing in a room at the back of the local pub, what are we doing? Why am I there?? Am I the stripper?

 

[Favelado]

Well, it depends on context, are we standing in a room at the back of the local pub, what are we doing? Why am I there?? Am I the stripper?

Shut up you cunt.

 

[Wookey]

Shut up you cunt.

How about nope? And drop the language, please, I'm not here to babysit.

 

[Shechemite]

Shut up you cunt.

A message we can all unite behind

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Hey guys, I reckon we need a bit of this yeah

 

[Sue]

Well, it depends on context, are we standing in a room at the back of the local pub, what are we doing? Why am I there?? Am I the stripper?

That's right. When you get a roomful of middle-aged Nothern women together, it's going to be in a pub watching a male stripper. FFS.

 

[Wookey]

That's right. When you get a roomful of middle-aged Nothern women together, it's going to be in a pub watching a male stripper. FFS.

Nope. Don't be so lazy you daft sod, have you ever read any of my posts EVER?

The last time I was alone in a room of middle-aged Northern working class women as posited in the imaginary scenario where I'm telling them they are racists, it was at a strip night at the back of a local pub. Cliches exist for a reason!! And I'm not ashamed of that, nor should you be.

 

[Favelado]

Nope. Don't be so lazy you daft sod, have you ever read any of my posts EVER?

The last time I was alone in a room of middle-aged Northern working class women as posited in the imaginary scenario where I'm telling them they are racists, it was at a strip night at the back of a local pub. Cliches exist for a reason!! And I'm not ashamed of that, nor should you be.

Alone. In a room full of women.

I bet that's a familiar situation for you.

 

[Wookey]

Alone. In a room full of women.

I bet that's a familiar situation for you.

I've had it all my life really, it comes from having a sparkling personality and the ability to not be a sexual threat. Try it?

 

[Sue]

Nope. Don't be so lazy you daft sod, have you ever read any of my posts EVER?

The last time I was alone in a room of middle-aged Northern working class women as posited in the imaginary scenario where I'm telling them they are racists, it was at a strip night at the back of a local pub. Cliches exist for a reason!! And I'm not ashamed of that, nor should you be.

Sadly, I've read all your posts on this thread. In disbelief tbh. Car crash.

 

[Wookey]

Sadly, I've read all your posts on this thread. In disbelief tbh. Car crash.

That's barely a scuffed bumper, you should get out more.

 

[co-op]

That's barely a scuffed bumper, you should get out more.

Go to bed you're making a prat of yourself.

 

[pesh]

Sadly, I've read all your posts on this thread. In disbelief tbh. Car crash.

every fucking thread.