Change UK: Chuka Umunna resigns from Labour party and launches Independent Group

[SpackleFrog]

How about nope? And drop the language, please, I'm not here to babysit.

Well, it depends on context, are we standing in a room at the back of the local pub, what are we doing? Why am I there?? Am I the stripper?

Bedtime I think mate.

 

[Wookey]

Bedtime I think mate.

Just you saying that makes me tired, that's like hypnotic suggestion.

You did used to get a better standard of row round here back in the day you know.

 

[belboid]

Survation poll seems positive about the NCP (not the car parks or the stalinists).

It would be more popular than the libdems!

Mostly by mainly taking votes from them to get to just under 8%

 

[SpackleFrog]

It would be more popular than the libdems!

Mostly by mainly taking votes from them to get to just under 8%

Stalinists and car parks are also more popular than the Lib Dem's to be fair.

 

[Humberto]

Obviously literate Osbornites don't have to be competent or clean-handed. Those suspected of being Tories in tendency see the 'natural order' as theirs and had the brainwave that the Corbyn led Labour party is not ready to get a landslide.

So these buffoons spy an opportunity to get ready for helping the 'natural governing right' to take what is theirs, simply by aligning themselves with the Tories. Sucking up to the establishment basically. Or palming off enough voters to feed the establishment what is 'theirs'.

 

[SE25]

Very much enjoying the Sensible Centrists ecstasy on twitter

 

[danny la rouge]

That's barely a scuffed bumper, you should get out more.

You were floundering like a harpooned clown; it was painful to watch. And you kept tying the line around your neck. The worst of it was, it was completely unnecessary.

 

[ska invita]

tig for short

Tings

Funny Tings

 

[brogdale]

Presumably Watson has dropped his calls to suspend CLPs that had proposed V(s)oNC in their former, disloyal MPs?
Now that those very CLPs will be charged with making arrangements to select a new PPC.

 

[ska invita]

Looked it up: "prospective parliamentary candidate"

 

[Pickman's model]

Presumably Watson has dropped his calls to suspend CLPs that had proposed V(s)oNC in their former, disloyal MPs?
Now that those very CLPs will be charged with making arrangements to select a new PPC.

How things change in a day

 

[Pickman's model]

You were floundering like a harpooned clown; it was painful to watch. And you kept tying the line around your neck. The worst of it was, it was completely unnecessary.

Far from it, Wookey wanted to show us what he's made of

 

[brogdale]

How things change in a day

Explains why Watson was so energetic in his demands to close down any CLP democracy that might have jeopardised yesterday's reveal.

 

[Gramsci]

Chuka on radio four now. Roughly what he said

Both main parties are broken. British people deserve better

Three main issues:

1 Stay in EU

2 Moral Dilemma of staying in party which if in power would have national security run by Corbyn

3 Culture of party. Visceral hatred of people with other views/ anti-Semitism

. Beyond Corbyn. About Broken politics. Tory and Labour. Tory party has been UKIPised.

Inviting anyone. Would include Tories.

Broken politics. Existing parties the problem.

People feel politically homeless. Alternative movement to the establishment.

 

[eoin_k]

Far from it, Wookey wanted to show us what he's made of

It certainly gives confidence that the firm stance on anti-Semitism taken by the Independence Group Ltd and its supporters will be extended to cover prejudice towards other groups, apart from the funny-tinged people and the northern working-class women.

 

[Pickman's model]

Stalinists and car parks are also more popular than the Lib Dem's to be fair.

treading in dogshit more popular than the lib dems

 

[Treacle Toes]

every fucking thread.

I had never noticed tbh. I actually thought the opposite. It's just wtaf at this point. No fucking shame or insight.

 

[Gramsci]

Chuka never complained about "visceral" hatred within Lambeth Labour against my Cllr Rachel Heywood. She criticised the New Labour leadership in Lambeth Council and ended up kicked out of the Labour group and eventually losing her Cllr seat.

They broke her.

 

[Pickman's model]

You sink lower than I thought possible.

yeh he plumbs the depths of human degradation

 

[Shechemite]

Chuka is a proper rotter.

 

[Pickman's model]

Chuka is a proper rotter.

he's an utter frutterer

 

[ska invita]

They have no base At all.

There is definitely room for an openly centrist party, and it does have a base. If all the centrist Tories and centrist Labour MPs piled into a rebadged lib Dems I could imagine that party polling in the high teens.

That summary that Gramsci posted of Chukas key positions does have some support out there amongst voters, mainly angry Remainers.

But theres a way to go to get to that United Centrist party...7 Shit Tings on their own won't do it, obvs.

For those familiar with Hitchhiker's Guide, I can't help thinking of the B Ark. Theyre the telephone sanitisers of UK politics

 

[Lord Camomile]

Alternative movement to the establishment.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Chuka on radio four now. Roughly what he said

Both main parties are broken. British people deserve better

Three main issues:

1 Stay in EU

2 Moral Dilemma of staying in party which if in power would have national security run by Corbyn

3 Culture of party. Visceral hatred of people with other views/ anti-Semitism

. Beyond Corbyn. About Broken politics. Tory and Labour. Tory party has been UKIPised.

Inviting anyone. Would include Tories.

Broken politics. Existing parties the problem.

People feel politically homeless. Alternative movement to the establishment.

He’s largely correctly in respect of the symptoms. The question is however who and where is the audience for a 90’s style ‘third way’ remedy. Leaving aside the EU for a moment all of the evidence suggests the space for a new party lies to the left and right of the three established parties in England and Wales. In Scotland the SNP currently occupies part of the vacuum. There is no poltical space for flaccid reheated Macron style lash up as I suspect they’ll find out soon.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

There is definitely room for an openly centrist party, and it does have a base. If all the centrist Tories and centrist Labour MPs piled into a rebadged lib Dems I could imagine that party polling in the high teens.

Bar on the issue of the EU the evidence suggest that the opposite is the case.

 

[ska invita]

Bar on the issue of the EU the evidence suggest that the opposite is the case.

New Dems would get some of the current 'reluctant' labour and Tory vote too. En marche!

 

[Smokeandsteam]

New Dems would get some of the current 'reluctant' labour and Tory vote too. En marche!

Yes, but the main cultural war divides in Britain are moving people out to left and right and not towards the ‘centre’. I don’t doubt that a new party could get enough support to eat into the core vote of both parties - probably Labour more than the Tories - by the way.

 

[butchersapron]

So their registered address is a wetherspoons in Altrincham?

 

[ska invita]

Yes, but the main cultural war divides in Britain are moving people out to left and right and not towards the ‘centre’. I don’t doubt that a new party could get enough support to eat into the core vote of both parties - probably Labour more than the Tories - by the way.

Agree. Lib Dems poll around 11% these days. With a rebrand, some new blood, some centrist money and a playing field dominated by brexit carnage I'd expect they could add another 5 or 6% on. But yeah, long way to go to get there

 

[Sue]

Agree. Lib Dems poll around 11% these days. With a rebrand, some new blood, some centrist money and a playing field dominated by brexit carnage I'd expect they could add another 5 or 6% on. But yeah, long way to go to get there

Is Smokeandsteam not saying that there's space for a new party but not this new party?