Change UK: Chuka Umunna resigns from Labour party and launches Independent Group

[Pickman's model]

I am suggesting that as they were all elected as Labour MP's, with whatever that may imply for voters in their constituencies, they are now not Labour MP's any more. therefore perhaps they ought to stand again now in their new guises, so the voters in their constituencies can have another go now things have changed.

i know what you're suggesting they do, i am asking you to make the case for it.

if you cannot or will not make the case for it then let it pass and chalk it up as another of the things you've said on which you couldn't deliver.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Isn't it just 'the done thing'?

 

[cantsin]

The useless assadist posho tool says whatever.

edit: oh the smith ones? She starts to say funny coloured people basically

no, Thornberry didnt say 'whatever'

 

[SpackleFrog]

Never going to happen the toad knows if he leaves labour's his chance to be the Uk's Obama would be gone for good.

Great prediction

 

[butchersapron]

no, Thornberry didnt say 'whatever'

Well, she should have.

 

[Ranbay]

And then there was 6

 

[Idris2002]

Well, whatever it is he's obv pretty sure that he's squared it or he wouldn't be doing this.

There was a Quebec politican years ago who deliberately committed shoplifting so that he could get out of a political scene where his closeted skeleton had to be kept under wraps. I'm sure there's no similarity with Chuka, though.

 

[likesfish]

Great prediction

honestly didn't think the shiny-headed spiv had it in him so props for that after nearly a year of threats

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

& the 7 leavers' web host is located in...

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That's where Whoisguard are based. They are a privacy service that a lot of domain registrars use. It says nothing about where the website is hosted.

 

[SpookyFrank]

 

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Good going to get themselves embroiled in a racist controversy on their very first day of existence.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Good going to get themselves embroiled in a racist controversy on their very first day of existence.

That was the only way this was ever going to pan out.

 

[SpackleFrog]

What do you make of this principled anti racism Wookey ?

 

[butchersapron]

Are you lying now or when you campaigned on the labour party manifesto in 2017? Which one?

Labour should be making mincemeat of this lot today. I assume they are.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I think the most delightful thing about all this is I don't think any of the 7 realise how much everyone is going to hate them.

 

[SpookyFrank]

What do you make of this principled anti racism Wookey ?

It's actually a perfect example of centrist anti-racism, ie just about managing not to say overtly racist things on live TV and then assuming the job is done.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Angela Smith has already lost a vote of no confidence in her CLP 3 months ago by the way. And she's in a Leave constituency with UKIP councillors where she nearly lost to the Tories in 2017.

Angela Smith loses no confidence vote by local party - LabourList

 

[SpackleFrog]

It's actually a perfect example of centrist anti-racism, ie just about managing not to say overtly racist things on live TV and then assuming the job is done.

Or it would have been if she'd managed not to almost say it

 

[SpackleFrog]

honestly didn't think the shiny-headed spiv had it in him so props for that after nearly a year of threats

Longer than a year of threats I think - and all he could muster was the #ScabbySeven, 3 of whom were in danger of getting deselected by their CLP and 4 who no one has ever heard of.

 

[philosophical]

i know what you're suggesting they do, i am asking you to make the case for it.

if you cannot or will not make the case for it then let it pass and chalk it up as another of the things you've said on which you couldn't deliver.

No personal agenda obviously 'another of the things you've said on which you couldn't deliver'.

I suggested originally that a case can be made for these MP's to stand again.
This also seems to be what MacDonnell is saying.
I believe it is because in the case of those MP's things have changed in a sense that is likely to be fundamental to many in their constituencies, that they are no longer Labour Party MP's. I would imagine technically, and in terms of precedent, they are entitled to stay on in a different guise until the next general election.
However I think that in terms of my understanding of the kind of contract a MP has with their voters, that contract has been varied to the point that morally if you like, a by-election is the right thing to do.
Some of those MP's call for a peoples vote, or new brexit referendum now that the landscape seems to have changed, so in terms of being hypocritical in their stance (if they don't trigger a by-election) the landscape in their own constituencies has changed, and by their own argument, another constituency vote would be appropriate.

Now I sense you have a generally high and mighty attitude, perhaps only towards me, and the case I set out above might not seem mighty enough to you, or at high enough levels of thinking to be considered in your wonderland of 'delivery', but it is, as they say, what it is.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Angela Smith has already lost a vote of no confidence in her CLP 3 months ago by the way. And she's in a Leave constituency with UKIP councillors where she nearly lost to the Tories in 2017.

Angela Smith loses no confidence vote by local party - LabourList

Likewise Leslie.

Another Labour MP loses no confidence vote

"But I have to weigh the views of a few dozen people at this meeting with the thousands who voted for me at the last election."

...he really does seem to be delusional enough to believe that people voted for him and not Labour. What he thinks he did between 2015 and 2017 to earn himself an extra 4,000 votes only the gods know.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Likewise Leslie.

Another Labour MP loses no confidence vote

"But I have to weigh the views of a few dozen people at this meeting with the thousands who voted for me at the last election."

...he really does seem to be delusional enough to believe that people voted for him and not Labour. What he thinks he did between 2015 and 2017 to earn himself an extra 4,000 votes only the gods know.

Well he must have done something, couldn't have had a thing to do with Corbyn being leader and the party membership trebleing can it?

 

[butchersapron]

"But I have to weigh the views of a few dozen people at this meeting with the thousands who voted for me at the last election." So you've made the case for why you should resign as an MP Mr Leslie.

Mincemeat.

 

[cupid_stunt]

philosophical has a new hobby horse.

They have stated they will not stand down for by-elections, that's within their rights, as odd as that is, that's the fact of the matter.

You can bang on about it has much as you like, but it's not going to change anything.

 

[Pickman's model]

No personal agenda obviously 'another of the things you've said on which you couldn't deliver'.

I suggested originally that a case can be made for these MP's to stand again.
This also seems to be what MacDonnell is saying.
I believe it is because in the case of those MP's things have changed in a sense that is likely to be fundamental to many in their constituencies, that they are no longer Labour Party MP's. I would imagine technically, and in terms of precedent, they are entitled to stay on in a different guise until the next general election.
However I think that in terms of my understanding of the kind of contract a MP has with their voters, that contract has been varied to the point that morally if you like, a by-election is the right thing to do.
Some of those MP's call for a peoples vote, or new brexit referendum now that the landscape seems to have changed, so in terms of being hypocritical in their stance (if they don't trigger a by-election) the landscape in their own constituencies has changed, and by their own argument, another constituency vote would be appropriate.

Now I sense you have a generally high and mighty attitude, perhaps only towards me, and the case I set out above might not seem mighty enough to you, or at high enough levels of thinking to be considered in your wonderland of 'delivery', but it is, as they say, what it is.

a high and mighty attitude

you said this case could be made, and then when asked to you said my post seemed incomplete. there's only one person out of us two with a high and mighty attitude, and that's you. you don't like being asked to make cases or whatnot, you've never liked being made to put up.

 

[philosophical]

a high and mighty attitude

you said this case could be made, and then when asked to you said my post seemed incomplete. there's only one person out of us two with a high and mighty attitude, and that's you. you don't like being asked to make cases or whatnot, you've never liked being made to put up.

Sorry but this is a rubbish diatribe, and reads like utter bollocks*

*Posted from a hight and mighty position.

 

[redsquirrel]

This thread illustrates perfectly how Urban isn't representative of labour supporters.

My and many of my friends are of the left but don't like Corbyn or brexit. A lot here would say we're not really of the left. But I stand with Wookey in being disappointed by Corbyn

I'm now clearing my inbox ready for the abusive PMs

Yeah those extra 3.5M voters that Labour gained at the last election, and which these pricks benefitted from, where all down to individual votes of MPs. Absolutely nothing to do with Corbyn or the move back towards a mild social democratic platform.

 

[butchersapron]

Farage is already distancing himself from his new party...dream team?

 

[Pickman's model]

Sorry but this is a rubbish diatribe, and reads like utter bollocks*

*Posted from a hight and mighty position.

yeh, it's not a diatribe at all. it's simply a brief statement of your position.

 

[brogdale]

tbf, we Urbz were all over the party colour issue yesterday....