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Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?

How reluctant are you to give up your meat habit?

  • I’m already veggie or vegan as any right thinking person should be!

    Votes: 49 25.0%

  • I can take it or leave it, I won’t miss meat

    Votes: 31 15.8%

  • I’d give up meat if I could think what else to cook, but I can’t

    Votes: 7 3.6%

  • I’m reluctant to change, but I accept the need

    Votes: 34 17.3%

  • It’s unimaginable that I won’t have meat in most / all meals - I’ll probably starve

    Votes: 8 4.1%

  • Fuck the planet, I’ll be eating meat till I die or the planet explodes

    Votes: 6 3.1%

  • Poll fail, answer below

    Votes: 15 7.7%

  • Don’t believe the hype - meat will be available forever, nothing much will change

    Votes: 46 23.5%
  • Total voters
    196
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littlebabyjesus said:
Here in the UK, it is basically not done. Something like that is done in Spain, but we simply don't eat that meat here. So let's be a bit more honest about what we're talking about in our posts on this thread. Food and agriculture cultures and practices vary widely across the world. To rail against all lamb because of Spanish milk-lamb-style practices is like railing against all pate because of foie gras. Typically, lamb you will buy here in the UK, whether it is British or from New Zealand (the two main sources), will have been pasture-fed and slaughtered at about six months. That's the food and agriculture culture of this place.

Something I agreed with you about regarding the film Cow was that a strength of the film lay in the fact that was it was a typical British dairy farm - not especially good or bad. If you're buying milk from a shop, it will typically have been produced at a farm like that. If we're assessing the ethics of buying lamb here in the UK, we need to find similarly typical practices to base our judgements on.
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It doesn't make any ethical difference to me if lambs are killed at 10 weeks, 6 months or 12 months, just pointing out that they can be killed as young as 10 weeks. We don't have the data to know how common this is but I suspect its fairly rare.

kabbes said:
So you’re saying that it’s a baby until it’s a year old? Or can it actually be a lamb and also not a baby?
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The post you were responding to was not about whether all lambs are babies but whether any of them can be regarded as mature. FM later qualified by saying 'sexually mature', which I take to be a narrower category than mature simpliciter.
 
Jeff Robinson said:
It doesn't make any ethical difference to me if lambs are killed at 10 weeks, 6 months or 12 months
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One ethical difference I see would relate to the wellbeing of the ewes as much as the lambs. Allowing the lambs to stay with their mothers in the fields for a few months would seem to me to be the ethically best form of lamb farming. In the wild, the males will separate from their mothers before maturity anyway, so you're not causing distress to the ewes by taking them away at that stage.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
One ethical difference I see would relate to the wellbeing of the ewes as much as the lambs. Allowing the lambs to stay with their mothers in the fields for a few months would seem to me to be the ethically best form of lamb farming. In the wild, the males will separate from their mothers before maturity anyway, so you're not causing distress to the ewes by taking them away at that stage.
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You know when its time to wean generally, the ewes have had enough and keep booting them in the head when they go to suck.
 
Funky_monks said:
You know when its time to wean generally, the ewes have had enough and keep booting them in the head when they go to suck.
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Yeah, while I would not want to underplay the distress caused to mammals when having their young taken away when they're still suckling, we also need to be careful not to anthropomorphise regarding what happens after that. There often won't be a lifelong bond and the time of separation may appear pretty brutal to us. Birds that have devotedly cared for their young and will risk their lives defending them will turn on them very quickly when the time comes - fuck off now, you.
 
Two definitions, one formal, one informal for both. Now scurry off to a US dictionary.
I'm vegetarian and I haven't been convinced by the last few post to change my views.
 
domestos said:
Two definitions, one formal, one informal for both. Now scurry off to a US dictionary.
I'm vegetarian and I haven't been convinced by the last few post to change my views.
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Most of us are in the UK. Why would we want to look in a US dictionary? :hmm:
 
domestos said:
Two definitions, one formal, one informal for both. Now scurry off to a US dictionary.
I'm vegetarian and I haven't been convinced by the last few post to change my views.
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That's because you think your dietary choices make you better than anyone else. Recent surveys have suggested that the majority of vegetarians are quite smug individuals.
 
domestos said:
Glad to see you're in agreement that vegetarians have good reason to be smug. Always nice to welcome a new member to the club. I've got a cracking recipe for felafel if you need one.
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I hear falafel is good for roughage. I just acknowledged that you're smug not that you had a reason for it and it would appear full of shit. Try some syrup of figs. It binds the falafel quite well before you fry it. I do mine in beef dripping. You come over and try some some time x
 
friedaweed said:
I hear falafel is good for roughage. I just acknowledged that you're smug not that you had a reason for it and it would appear full of shit. Try some syrup of figs. It binds the falafel quite well before you fry it. I do mine in beef dripping. You come over and try some some time x
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Descended to swear laden insults already. You need to calm down and friedabitmoreweed, might mellow you out.
 
domestos said:
Glad to see you're in agreement that vegetarians have good reason to be smug. Always nice to welcome a new member to the club. I've got a cracking recipe for felafel if you need one.
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I've got a good recipe for vegetarians.....roast slowly on a spit. :p
 
domestos said:
Descended to swear laden insults already. You need to calm down and friedabitmoreweed, might mellow you out.
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Perfectly calm here cupcake, I'm not the one who gets all smug and wound up about other peoples food choices remember.

I must tell you though that fucking around with usernames is frowned upon on these boards.

Wouldn't want you getting in trouble with the management ;) ;)
 
friedaweed said:
Perfectly calm here cupcake, I'm not the one who gets all smug and wound up about other peoples food choices remember.

I must tell you though that fucking around with usernames is frowned upon on these boards.dead

Wouldn't want you getting in trouble with the management ;) ;)
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Judging by your posts you are most definitely wound up about food choices! Remember to mention spits, dripping marrowbone etc as it terrifies vegetarians and melts their crocs, so do shoe horn meaty references into all your posts.
 
domestos said:
Judging by your posts you are most definitely wound up about food choices! Remember to mention spits, dripping marrowbone etc as it terrifies vegetarians and melts their crocs, so do shoe horn meaty references into all your posts.
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Don't mistake me being wound up for me winding you up cupcake x
 
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