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Fairly sure that’s a No on accompanying the surveyor.

If they let you yoh would end up asking what they actually do for their money. I think sometimes the just do a desk top study or look at zoopla
The one I had to pay £550 for the remortgage company on my old house (five Beds 1920s) was here for less than 20 minutes. He refused to speak to me and then fucked up the history of the house (deciding there had been an extension when the house was built like that which took about three weeks to sort out - fortunately I had the original paper deeds with plans) and valued the house over £100`k under the last three that sold in the street. Frankly the 18 year old who did the energy efficiency rating did a much more thorough job and filled me with more confidence. The chap who did a home buyers survey on oiur new house charge £50 less and did an excellent job - and I spoke to him on the phone for almost an hour afterwards.
 
phoned for an update from wouldbe lender. Was supposed to have one by end of yesterday.

It's apparently with their cladding team for review.
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There's no fucking cladding on the building! Just send the surveyor and they can see that.

As I told the guy on the phone, minus expletive.

Apparently I should get an email, soon or something. My solicitor has asked when to start the searches. I said I wanted this sorted out first.

I only want to borrow 15% of the LTV FFS.
 
Mortgage approved last week
Survey done yesterday, apparently
Speaking to life insurance people at 1630 today
Solicitor has everything, I think

I suppose after we get life insurance and the survey report, assuming it’s all fine, then everything is in place and can start thinking/talking about dates maybe idk? 🤪
 
Mortgage approved last week
Survey done yesterday, apparently
Speaking to life insurance people at 1630 today
Solicitor has everything, I think

I suppose after we get life insurance and the survey report, assuming it’s all fine, then everything is in place and can start thinking/talking about dates maybe idk? 🤪
Once you get the survey and are happy with everything I would start talking to the vendor/estate agent about dates. What's the vendor's situation now? Do they have an onward purchase?
 
Depending on age, size and type of property and appearance, I would still opt for a homebuyers report and save the expense of a specialist survey unless something was flagged up along the way.
 
Once you get the survey and are happy with everything I would start talking to the vendor/estate agent about dates. What's the vendor's situation now? Do they have an onward purchase?
  • Got the survey report and the only red dots are to speak to legal advisor about conservatory and dormer permissions plus get the electricity checked before exchange… 😕
  • Life Insurance is not sorted yet due to checks required since some issues <10 years ago, but some insurers only care about <5 years ago.
  • My critical illness not sorted yet but I’m not sure that essential to move forward now. Anyone know if we can skip it at this moment and get it later?
  • We also need the ownership/will/deed of trust stuff sorting 🤦🏽‍♀️ Our situation isn’t terribly complicated (currently unmarried, he has children, I don’t) but needs to be done properly and we don’t understand the options really (like a monkey playing cymbals when given something to read again) so want to speak to a human to have it explained.

As for the vendors - last we heard they had an offer accepted. Our uneducated plan was to hold on until we got the survey so we were sure there wasn’t a £15k roof joist/subsidence issue (basically nothing that would need a renegotiation on the selling price) then start the massive push forward. I guess that has now come to pass?
 
It all depends on your lender but it is possible that neither life insurance or critical illness cover are essential though recommended. we certainly had neither when we took out our last mortgage, which is repayment.
There was a fair amount of equity in it and we both has a reasonable amount of death in service.
 
Re conservatory & dormer window your solicitor will be seeking permission from the council for these if they can’t provide them my experience is an indemnity policy is purchased by the vendor which isn’t expensive but your solicitor will want it in place. I needed an indemnity policy for my bi-fold doors at my last house.

You want to address the electrics & find out what needs checking & why & is it something the vendors can do or knock the price off.

Critical illness cover can wait.

Based on what you have said about situation you & partner make decision if you are leaving house to each other in a will or other arrangement.
 
  • Got the survey report and the only red dots are to speak to legal advisor about conservatory and dormer permissions plus get the electricity checked before exchange… 😕
  • Life Insurance is not sorted yet due to checks required since some issues <10 years ago, but some insurers only care about <5 years ago.
  • My critical illness not sorted yet but I’m not sure that essential to move forward now. Anyone know if we can skip it at this moment and get it later?
  • We also need the ownership/will/deed of trust stuff sorting 🤦🏽‍♀️ Our situation isn’t terribly complicated (currently unmarried, he has children, I don’t) but needs to be done properly and we don’t understand the options really (like a monkey playing cymbals when given something to read again) so want to speak to a human to have it explained.

As for the vendors - last we heard they had an offer accepted. Our uneducated plan was to hold on until we got the survey so we were sure there wasn’t a £15k roof joist/subsidence issue (basically nothing that would need a renegotiation on the selling price) then start the massive push forward. I guess that has now come to pass?

Yes - time for the big push forward! Conservatory etc permissions checking is not an issue, and as said above you can just purchase an indemnity policy in the event the required reassurances are not forthcoming (these are cheap - typically £100-ish - you can buy one yourself, it doesn't have to be bought by the vendor - it's often worth just paying the £100 to save the hassle of trying to persuade the vendor to do it... (people get nervous)).

Electrics check on the survey isn't something I'd worry about at all - they basically always say that unless someone happens to have a certificate of recent professional rewiring - which of course no-one does! Personally I'd ignore that suggestion for simplicity, and maybe get a sparky in to look at it post-purchase. It's all about removing as much stress and hassle from the purchase process as possible. Don't worry - there will still be plenty!

Your solicitor should be able to explain the ownership options obviously, but for a basic overview:

The simplest (and most common for couples - not that that's a recommendation necessarily): You can own it together ('joint tenants') - this means you both own all of it, as if you were one entity, '5t3lla-and-partner'; both signatures will be required for anything, mortgages, selling, etc. In this situation if one of you dies the other 'half' of the entity continues to own all of it, in the same way you'd continue to own eg your car if your legs were chopped off. The house is taken outside the scope of the dead partner's will, because the other partner already owns all of it. This also takes it outside of inheritance tax calculations - basically the ownership isn't being transferred, so it's not being 'inherited'.

The other way is 'tenants in common' - where you and your partner will own defined shares (adding up to 100%). In this case you get to choose what the percentages are (can be anything from 99%-1% (or even more extreme) to 50-50% or whatever). You just decide. These ownerships are considered separate 'units' so that one partner can will their share independently of the other partner, and indeed independently of their wishes; even sell their share unilaterally (this rarely happens in practice because owning part of a property with someone opposed to you owning it is generally a bad idea). It is for this reason that deeds of trust are often used in this situation - the deed will basically be an agreement as to how these things will be handled should they occur - it can be agreed that neither will sell without the other's permission (and/or that if one wants to sell the other has to agree), how it should be willed in the event of death, and indeed anything else that would normally be the preserve of a property owner (what colour to paint it, what plants you want in the garden, anything!).

A deed of trust can also be used with 'joint tenants' - typically this might be because eg your partner wants the house to go to his children after his death, but is happy for you to continue to own it while you live should he go first. Without a deed he has no control what happens after his death because it would be 100% yours to do with as you want. A typical deed might be that you are holding the house 'in trust' for the children while you live - ie you can't will it to someone else. It might also include clauses giving the children beneficial interest [means they are legally allowed the benefit of the house - ie can use it, visit, live there; in contrast to the legal interest, which is the actual ownership in law. These usually go hand in hand, but they don't have to] - this would prevent you eg banning them from the house if you became 100% owner. The deed can also include anything else you want - it's basically an agreement between you as to matters of the house - the only limit is your imagination (but I'd advise keeping it simple :)). All the aspects of a deed described in this paragraph can also go into a deed with tenants in common too of course.

Hope that's slightly illuminating!

e2get the right way round of the joint and in common tenants (thanks to Glitter :))!
 
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It is possible the conservatory was exempt from planning permission but solicitors can check that easily.

Electrics: since 2015 all consumer units (fuse boxes) had to be made from non-combustable materials ie not the old plastic things.
We recently had to change our consumer unit and all our lighting at a cost of about £3000 - we had quotes much higher than this, so be wary of that!
You should be able to get an electricians quote for free and they will tell you whats what.
 
Joint tenants you own the whole thing as one, tenants in common you have a defined share each.
We are buying as tenants in common as we’re not married and are bringing different amounts of deposit.
 
We haven’t had the contract papers from the sellers solicitor yet so ours hasn’t started searches. Hopefully that can happen soon though as everything else will be in place by this time next week.

Quite glad we have the survey scheduled for after this storm though! It’s bad here.
 
Electrics check on the survey isn't something I'd worry about at all - they basically always say that unless someone happens to have a certificate of recent professional rewiring - which of course no-one does! Personally I'd ignore that suggestion for simplicity, and maybe get a sparky in to look at it post-purchase. It's all about removing as much stress and hassle from the purchase process as possible. Don't worry - there will still be plenty!
I'm about to try to sell my house which actually needs completely rewiring. I didn't get it checked when I bought it and should have done.
 
I'm about to try to sell my house which actually needs completely rewiring. I didn't get it checked when I bought it and should have done.
Bump up the price to cover a rewire then gladly drop when buyers ask for a reduction ;)

Eta...I wish I’d got our place checked. It’s not a problem doing it but it would’ve been nice to get some money off for my time and stress.
 
My opinion is not to ignore the electrics. Ask for more info on why needing checked as you don’t want to end up with a hefty bill you could have knocked off the purchase or got them to do. Find out for sure then make decision.

Re indemnity policy my vendors in my current house also had to get one as they couldn’t prove right of way out the back where parking is & this issue went back & forth for a few weeks & without it I prob could have completed & exchanged in 10 weeks not 14. Their solicitor said it was implied & mine said prove it.

So if it does come to that ask how to get it resolved quickly. The policy I bought was £35 & was quoted it might be £100.
 
How much would it cost to get rid of all this lot? Remove all the assisted living stuff, the non-fitted fitted cupboards and get a new kitchen?


Guessing a good 20-30 grand at least. I've never owned a house so DIY is a mystery for the most part but it'd be nice to know what I'd have to do.
 
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