Brown's speech

[Fedayn]

Towards the end of the battle he mentioned searching for something inside themselves (vis a vis battle), and only then did I start to consider the closing record, and I thought surely no one would dare use M People even in this day and age?!

Surely, with his publically expressed admiration for said band, it should have been Arctic Monkeys, 'He's a scummy man....'

 

[DotCommunist]

he is quoting von Goethe now...

In touch with the common man

 

[butchersapron]

Pity it wasn't werther...

 

[rikwakefield]

I liked the speech and to be fair, Labour has made some positive changes in their terms.

 

[agricola]

A cab rank of drones, lackeys and ministers going onto BBC about how great a speech it is, albeit they seem a little too eager.

edit: and Burnham has just said they dont know how they will pay for things, specifically moving people out of hospital and into the community..

 

[weltweit]

No complusory ID cards for British citizens in the next Parliament.... so not getting rid of them then.

That was critical for me, they may not have compulsory ID Cards in the next parliament but the project is still on.

Have to wait for what the tories say on this.

I liked the speech and to be fair, Labour has made some positive changes in their terms.

I think he did about as well as he could be expected to.

A mum in the playground just said to me, labour what have they done to deserve another term, out with them. It surprised me I thought she was a card carrying Labour supporter. How wrong can one be.

 

[weltweit]

Of course the voting majority will not see the speech in full, just, if they can be bothered, they will catch the soundbites on the news at ten. It will be interesting to see which parts the news providers will include.

 

[agricola]

Guido has seized upon the new teenage mothers policy and suggests it has come from the BNP:

Exclusive : Brown’s “Gulags for Slags” Policy Taken from BNP

Courtesy of Lancaster Unite Against Fascism this was the motion debated at the BNP’s Party Conference and adopted by Gordon at the Labour Party conference:

Teenage mothers – the problem and the solution

Any amount of sexual health education is not going to reduce Britain’s high teen pregnancy rates, whilst the ‘rewards’ for becoming an unmarried teen mother remain so [relatively] attractive. The cycle of girls getting pregnant by man A, then being allocated a council flat & welfare benefits, then getting pregnant by man B, and being allocated a bigger council flat & more benefits, then getting pregnant by man C, and being allocated a council house & yet more benefits has got to STOP. It leads to all sorts of social problems, resulting from mothers who are not mature enough to parent effectively, and end up raising dysfunctional families in poverty. It also costs tax payers a lot of money, to fund these ‘alternative’ lifestyles.

Furthermore, people who have been on housing waiting lists for several years, and who conduct themselves in a responsible manner, find themselves being ‘queue-jumped’ by these feckless members of society.

So, I suggest that there be no council flats and no welfare benefits available to unmarried mothers under the age of 21. Instead they will be placed in ‘mother & baby homes’. Here they will receive academic education as well as parenting classes, plus courses covering all aspects of their social development. The homes will be run by ‘matron’ type figures. The homes should not be ‘institution’ like, but at the same time there will be rules which must be adhered to; such as a curfew of approx 9pm, a dress code which states skirts must come to at least the knees & no cleavage to be on show. Failure to comply with the homes’ rules will result in the mother being sent to prison, and the baby being taken in to care.

This is not a short-term remedy, but a long-term solution. Eventually I believe the implementation of this policy will result in a vast decrease in teenage girls becoming pregnant – as the consequences will be positively unattractive. Of course, teenage pregnancies will never be completely eradicated, and the homes will allow for the girls who do still become teen mothers to learn how to be good parents, whilst not being fast-tracked to the top of the housing queue.

If an 18-20 year old pregnant woman is married [marriage should not be an option available to 16/17 year olds, even with parental consent] and her husband has a job, then she will be exempt from going in to one of the homes.’

Last year it was the slogan “British Jobs for British Workers” this year it is wholesale policies. Norman Tebbit described the BNP as Labour with added racism. The policy parallels* are increasing…

*Nick Griffin also has only one eye. Not a lot of people know that.

 

[butchersapron]

That's desperate, straw clutching stuff from 'guido' and LUAF.

 

[Superdupastupor]

-So, I suggest that there be no council flats and no welfare benefits available to unmarried mothers under the age of 21. Instead they will be placed in ‘mother & baby homes’. Here they will receive academic education as well as parenting classes, plus courses covering all aspects of their social development. The homes will be run by ‘matron’ type figures. The homes should not be ‘institution’ like, but at the same time there will be rules which must be adhered to; such as a curfew of approx 9pm,a dress code which states skirts must come to at least the knees & no cleavage to be on show. Failure to comply with the homes’ rules will result in the mother being sent to prison, and the baby being taken in to care.
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WTF

parody surley?

 

[butchersapron]

It's supposed to be a proposed london motion to the BNP conference, not Brown's policy. That line does demonstrate the straw-clutching nature of the posts linking the two though.

 

[belboid]

wtf is Fiona Phillips on about in her contribution to the crime and safety discussion? (I cant use the word 'debate' as it obviously isn't one)

boxoffrogs stuff

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8280719.stm

 

[butchersapron]

Who the fuck is she. Not a good advert for a comeback as it goes.

 

[belboid]

ex-GMTV

Soon to be ex-face of nu nu labour

 

[belboid]

if you listen to his bit on labours achievements (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8281013.stm) it all sounds pretty good on face value. Except all bar two, I think, of the 21 achievements were done in the first term, and only one (Climate Change Act) in this parliament.

Doesn't do much to counter the 'running out of steam' argument.

 

[DotCommunist]

Fiona Phillips is a walking facpalm

 

[untethered]

It's good to see Mr Brown attempting to do something -- albeit extremely belatedly -- about the unwed mothers problem. However, any long-term solution needs to start with a sense of shame on the part of all concerned (both parents, and their parents).

As for his bizarre narrative on Labour's economic policy, it sounded something like, "we shut the stable door after the horse had bolted. The Tories would have left it open."

 

[belboid]

the unwed mothers problem. However, any long-term solution needs to start with a sense of shame on the part of all concerned

yeah, cos that's a great way to start a childs life off.

 

[untethered]

yeah, cos that's a great way to start a childs life off.

You mean when your mother is 16, doesn't have any qualifications or a job and isn't quite sure who your father is?

I agree. It's dismal.

 

[agricola]

It's supposed to be a proposed london motion to the BNP conference, not Brown's policy. That line does demonstrate the straw-clutching nature of the posts linking the two though.

So Brown is not intending to stop benefits to mothers aged 16 and 17 unless they are put in homes, then?

 

[butchersapron]

I don't know is he? I doubt it, it's probably just PR and headline grabbing. Pretty sure he's not banning cleavage.

 

[belboid]

You mean when your mother is 16, doesn't have any qualifications or a job and isn't quite sure who your father is?

I agree. It's dismal.

yup cos all teen mothers are just like that.

Twat

 

[belboid]

That's desperate, straw clutching stuff from 'guido' and LUAF.

LUAF aren't actually makikng any link, they just posted the conference motion a month ago. Twas just Guido making the link

 

[Kaka Tim]

It's good to see Mr Brown attempting to do something -- albeit extremely belatedly -- about the unwed mothers problem. However, any long-term solution needs to start with a sense of shame on the part of all concerned (both parents, and their parents).

You really are a nasty piece of work aren't you?

 

[_angel_]

How many 16 and 17 year olds get "given" council homes anyway?

Are they planning on taking girls away from their parents? As that's where most teen mums live anyway?

And is it just punishment for being single, or, (as I heard it) shack up with any bloke and you'll be left alone? Great message to women everywhere.

 

[Azrael]

You really are a nasty piece of work aren't you?

If you believe that sex outside of marriage is wrong, then untethered's comment is perfectly reasonable. You should be ashamed of wrong acts. For me its a practical matter: it seems much easier to raise a child in the stability of marriage.

Shame doesn't have to take the old form, which unfairly attacked unwed mothers while doing little if anything to embarrass horny young men too selfish to keep their hormones in check. Even worse was the stigmatising of illegitimate children, literally inflicting the sins of the father on the children. Anyone who did this is a disgrace and ought to burn with shame.

But the flaws in the old system could have been remedied without abandoning it entirely. The "if it feels good, **** it" replacement, where everything is right so long as you obtain consent, has led to broken homes and serial boyfriends, with feral children spiralling into lives of despair and crime because their mothers are unable to cope. (Disclaimer: this is a general comment, not an attack on individual single-mothers.) This is much cruller to children even than being called a bastard, and I'm amazed that the Left is so taken with this extreme form of laissez faire.

Perhaps Mr Brown's Calvanism is driving him to action, but you can be sure that his authoritarian-Marxism will lead to a solution rooted in the state, and not individual conscience.

 

[Fedayn]

You mean when your mother is 16, doesn't have any qualifications or a job and isn't quite sure who your father is?

I agree. It's dismal.

I'm assuming your parents were married when they were presented with your joyous entry into the world? If so having married parents hasn't stopped you from becoming a petty-minded nasty vindictive finger wagging little shit has it?

 

[_angel_]

It'll cost more to provide supported hostel places than it will council flats .

Not that many under 18's get "given the keys to a council house" like so many seem to think, anyway.

Not sure denying kids of teen mums their own house/ place with their own bedroom is going to help with their general "stability" .

Will they be allowed to get HB for a private rent ??

Will this ever happen - I somehow doubt.

 

[Fedayn]

It's good to see Mr Brown attempting to do something -- albeit extremely belatedly -- about the unwed mothers problem. However, any long-term solution needs to start with a sense of shame on the part of all concerned (both parents, and their parents).

Yet more ignorant clueless bile spewed onto the page making sweeping ignorant statements into an art form. Making clear he doesn't actually know what happebns in different peoples lives but hey who cares it's just right in untethereds shabby little word to make your mind up without knowing a single thing about which you speak.

 

[untethered]

Yet more ignorant clueless bile spewed onto the page making sweeping ignorant statements into an art form. Making clear he doesn't actually know what happebns in different peoples lives but hey who cares it's just right in untethereds shabby little word to make your mind up without knowing a single thing about which you speak.

I know perfectly well what happens in my life. A large slice of the money I've earned is taken from my income to pay for people that have never worked a day in their lives and for some bizarre reason think it's fine to claim for a house and all their living expenses from people like me.

Is it too much to expect the reckless and immoral, assuming they can't actually be prevented from being such, to actually fund their lifestyles themselves?