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That tower must be a candidate for Carbuncle Of The Year if it gets built. Completely out of proportion and ugly as fuck.I went to the exhibition in the Village today showing the Hondo plans for the Popes Road site (where Sports Direct and that 'Flannels' clothes shop are currently.)
I couldn't bear staying there more than a few minutes cos there was this twat selling the plans to a couple who'd arrived just before me, and he was banging on about 'revitalising the local vibrant creative industries' and 'creating permeable community spaces to enhance the productivity of the area.' Seriously, my bullshit bingo card was filled instantly so I grabbed a leaflet and left.
Basically they want to build a 21 storey tower block with various retail spaces and lashings of community-wash. A new 'public' (i.e. private) square, office space etc. It's not all bad but it's a property development after all and designed to rake in cash for Hondo. The tower will seriously dominate the centre of Brixton. Also they reckon it will "create safer neighbourhoods and natural surveillance."
Anyway, you can see the plans here and respond to their consultation survey (which has some great leading questions, such as "do you support making our famous Brixton market a better place?"
www.yourvoicebrixton.com
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I went too. Funny thing is the large scale map they used in the display is well out of date. It does not include the new development know as The Edge behind the Coldharbour Lane shops. Which being the case it understates the gross over-development proposed.I went to the exhibition in the Village today showing the Hondo plans for the Popes Road site (where Sports Direct and that 'Flannels' clothes shop are currently.)
I couldn't bear staying there more than a few minutes cos there was this twat selling the plans to a couple who'd arrived just before me, and he was banging on about 'revitalising the local vibrant creative industries' and 'creating permeable community spaces to enhance the productivity of the area.' Seriously, my bullshit bingo card was filled instantly so I grabbed a leaflet and left.
Basically they want to build a 21 storey tower block with various retail spaces and lashings of community-wash. A new 'public' (i.e. private) square, office space etc. It's not all bad but it's a property development after all and designed to rake in cash for Hondo. The tower will seriously dominate the centre of Brixton. Also they reckon it will "create safer neighbourhoods and natural surveillance."
Anyway, you can see the plans here and respond to their consultation survey (which has some great leading questions, such as "do you support making our famous Brixton market a better place?"
www.yourvoicebrixton.com
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I did wonder this. Quite unusual for such a large development in this area to not have any residential property as part of the plan. Not beyond the realms of possibility that it would get built, then some of it converted to residential after claims of office space not being financially viable.The PR lady was feeding me some line about the need for shared offices for small businesses.
...they will probably wait for a few years then turn the skyscraper into high price flats - an SW9 version of Centrepoint.
The 'view' pics prove that the project is totally outrageous. The view is HORRIBLE!!! Also, the pics of the internal 'public' space looks like the Elephant and Castle - cold, concrete, heartless - not condusive to community and creativity at all. (Open Mike Night? You're joking!!!) Compare the pic from Jack Barratt above with the pics of the internal space......... What can I say. Yuk!! Doom and Gloom. Also - re more jobs - Building jobs don't last once the building is built and we need LESS CONSUMING NOT MORE!! There is unused office space in the area already and we need to nurture present residents as opposed to attracting 'more money'. Have done the consultation survey and added a comment - similar to this one.I went to the exhibition in the Village today showing the Hondo plans for the Popes Road site (where Sports Direct and that 'Flannels' clothes shop are currently.)
I couldn't bear staying there more than a few minutes cos there was this twat selling the plans to a couple who'd arrived just before me, and he was banging on about 'revitalising the local vibrant creative industries' and 'creating permeable community spaces to enhance the productivity of the area.' Seriously, my bullshit bingo card was filled instantly so I grabbed a leaflet and left.
Basically they want to build a 21 storey tower block with various retail spaces and lashings of community-wash. A new 'public' (i.e. private) square, office space etc. It's not all bad but it's a property development after all and designed to rake in cash for Hondo. The tower will seriously dominate the centre of Brixton. Also they reckon it will "create safer neighbourhoods and natural surveillance."
Anyway, you can see the plans here and respond to their consultation survey (which has some great leading questions, such as "do you support making our famous Brixton market a better place?"
www.yourvoicebrixton.com
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I thought about taking a look at that Lost In Brixton hipster booze bar, sorry, 'new community space.'
Then I noticed that the security were asking for ID, checking bags and then sticking a stamp on everyone going in. Fuck that.
Before we begin, perhaps you could be upfront with your involvement with this project.I was wondering what sort of community space do you feel the current residents of Brixton want more of? And who should pay/own that space?
Before we begin, perhaps you could be upfront with your involvement with this project.
Not sure about you, but I think of a community space as being somewhere where all elements of the community can freely gather and use as they see fit, and not be searched on entry, told they can't bring in pets, food or drink, be turned away if they're with their kids after 5pm, and have the place make so much noise that the actual local community are forced to complain.I was wondering what sort of community space do you feel the current residents of Brixton want more of? And who should pay/own that space?
Not sure about you, but I think of a community space as being somewhere where all elements of the community can freely gather and use as they see fit, and not be searched on entry, told they can't bring in pets, food or drink, be turned away if they're with their kids after 5pm, and have the place make so much noise that the actual local community are forced to complain.
And right there you've given your agenda away, thinking that Brixton is for Clapham residents.And frankly, if you live in SW4/9, you're the actual local community.
I really hate it when people try to present non-existent viewpoints, particularly ones as clumsy and as dishonest as this one. Don't do it please.Are you sure it's productive to wish Brixton hadn't changed since 1995, and that newer residents would just sod off, and take their contributions (whether in terms of revenue for local businesses, time spent volunteering in the community, or their efforts to advocate for the good of the community as they see it) with them? That it what your editorial tone, here and on your website, sounds like to this new resident.
And right there you've given your agenda away, thinking that Brixton is for Clapham residents.
Interesting to note that despite all the preconditions set on Lost In Brixton - the very preconditions that just about guarantee a vast chunk of the (poorer) locals in a wider demographic will never visit - the owners - and you - still insist that it's a 'new community space for Brixton.' It's really not, you know.
The obvious reality from its own marketing material is that it's set itself up to a be a new, on trend 'destination' for tourists and well-off (mainly new) residents pooled from a very narrow demographic. Anything that could be described as being vaguely community-based only ever happens in off peak hours, but naturally gets a full PR boost from Hondo's persuasive press arm.
What percentage of people from the local estates do you think visit Lost In Brixton?
I really hate it when people try to present non-existent viewpoints, particularly ones as clumsy and as dishonest as this one. Don't do it please.
And right there you've given your agenda away, thinking that Brixton is for Clapham residents.
Oooh look at you bringing up the Effra Social: the one place I happen to DJ at. What a coincidence!That said, if we're discussing private businesses, it's as much of a community amenity as e.g. Effra Social or wherever.
How long do you say you've lived here? Brixton is a massively popular place to visit and is jammed full of free-spending tourists on weekends - and that's the demographic many of the new businesses directly cater to (Pop Brixton, Brixton Village, Lost In Brixton etc).Really, tourists don't come that often to Brixton. It's hard enough getting people who live north of the river to do so. And here we go again, about newer residents. What's the cut off, income-wise, above which you're not worth serving?
Aren't your pubs and clubs good enough for you?I don’t think you can say that Brixton isn’t for Clapham residents.
We do have freedom of movement.
Oooh look at you bringing up the Effra Social: the one place I happen to DJ at. What a coincidence!
Of course, the blindingly obvious difference that you seem unable to grasp is that the Effra Social is a pub. It makes no claims whatsoever to be a 'new community space for Brixton,' and certainly hasn't hired an expensive PR team to shout out such a dubious boast.
How long do you say you've lived here? Brixton is a massively popular place to visit and is jammed full of free-spending tourists on weekends - and that's the demographic many of the new businesses directly cater to (Pop Brixton, Brixton Village, Lost In Brixton etc).
And Hondo has proactively been taking out full page adverts in Time Out to further promote their tourist attractions, while their PR team successfully bagged prestigious reviews for Lost In Brixton in distinctly upmarket publications like Tatler, Harper's Bazaar, GQ. Vogue, FT and the Sunday Times. To suggest Brixton is struggling to attract enough people coming in to spend money means that you really know very little about the place.
Aren't your pubs and clubs good enough for you?
Why do you think manufacturing a meaningless comparison would make your point 'relatable' to me?Not at all, I was trying to make my point relatable to you.
They called it a 'community space' when it is clearly not one. Quite why you choose to defend this obvious exaggeration and echo the line of the PR is quite beyond me. Oh wait...If they called it a pub, would you be less bitter about its existence? Also, is the existence of a PR team specifically alienating to you?
Ah the old, 'we should doff our caps to the rich folks and and be grateful for them creating jobs' line. Hondo - and their multi billionaire US investment backers - aren't here to create jobs out of the goodness of their hearts. They're here to make as much money as they can for themselves, exploiting the workers and rewarding them with the minimum possible in return. That's why they need PR companies to spin their ventures into sounding like they're here for the community. And if they pay a penny over the lowest permissible wage they'll make sure everyone hears of that too.All that spending, and those businesses, providing jobs for people who we can assume don't have better options (or they'd take them…).
Remind me of the tangible benefits of tourists visiting Lost In Brixton to the residents of the locals estates - some of which are the most deprived in London?Oughtn't we celebrate that free-spending crowd—which I still doubt are tourists, based on my, yes, time in the neighbourhood. We're not getting a lot of e.g. Chinese and Argentinian visitors…unless…is anyone who visits from outside Lambeth is a tourist?
You're being very forthright in what you think is good for the community of Brixton, so it's reasonable to ask how long you've been part of that community. Are you in Brixton now?I'd really like to hear how long one must live in Brixton, and/or below what amount one must earn, before one's preferences for our community matter, in your view.
Just wanted to say two things:
1) Editors tone, as per, is just boring
2) Don't dislike the design at all. That part of Brixton already has mass and height (International House, Brixton Square, Viaduct, The Edge, Barrier Block). We need office space and inward investment for sure.
Hey guys question from a non-resident but whom have spent few nights in the lovely Southwyck House - what are people's views on having adult education centre like morley's college instead of this? Will it actually benefit people if it is more inclusive and engaging? As Brixton has changed a lot I found it is hard to integrate different generations somehow... any thoughts on that?