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lordnoise said:
I can see the benefits to a resident of Poets Corner but it s an awful lot of expense (ANPR cameras, street furniture, monitoring) to go to when rerouting a few firms lorries, traffic calming on Railton and making the Water Lane end of Shakespeare one way would suffice. Taking Railton and Shakespeare out completely will make the roads in Herne Hill and Brixton (yes - right by the shops we all use) even more polluted and difficult to navigate.

Well played the moneyed new occupants of Poets Corner!
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well I live in Poets corner but no one asked me...
 
friendofdorothy said:
This is the first I've heard of it. No leaflet here and we live on a road just off Railton - and I see we've missed a meeting too.

Can someone summerise for me - does low traffic mean no cars or vehicles except the 322 and emergency vehicles? when does this come into force?
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Any vehicle can use the roads as normal but there are entry points at either end of Railton Road and more or less at the railway bridge on Shakespeare Road which are controlled, so only buses and emergency vehicles,which stops through (rather than local) traffic.
 
HUGE queue in Brixton

Massive queues in Brixton as lockdown eases and shops reopen, Mon 15th June 2020


In photos: massive queue in Brixton as lockdown eases and shops reopen, Mon 15th June 2020
 
Rushy said:
Any vehicle can use the roads as normal but there are entry points at either end of Railton Road and more or less at the railway bridge on Shakespeare Road which are controlled, so only buses and emergency vehicles,which stops through (rather than local) traffic.
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Are you sure? This sounds a bit like the Loughborough Junction scheme a couple of years ago, where one of the problems was nobody knew who was supposed to be able to go under the railway bridge across Loughborough Road.

BTW friendofdorothy I am minding a flat in Morval Road for someone who is stranded in Nigeria due to coronavirus travel issues, and they had this sent to themrailton-1.jpg
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There was an online consultation (not sure about real life) early this year. Part of the liveable neighbourhood thingy.
 
editor said:
Have I got this right?

Street drinking is very bad and against council bylaws, and any off local licences serving the less well off a single can expect to be punished.

However, trendy bar serving the same amount of beer (at a much higher cost) to be drunk in the same street = splendid.

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What are they doing about toilets? I saw their branch on Battersea Rise was open and people spread out over a long stretch. Feeding people pints with nowhere to piss is going to get grim quickly.
 
thebackrow said:
What are they doing about toilets? I saw their branch on Battersea Rise was open and people spread out over a long stretch. Feeding people pints with nowhere to piss is going to get grim quickly.
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wonder how their USA venues are coping - eg Pittsburgh here BrewDog
BTW note the advertised closing time. They've got some strong ales there - better than Kestrel in some cases.
 
In a way this could almost be in the Corona thread - but the reason I'm posting it here is that for all Rashid's expertise as a community activist, I think it is wrong to riff on about Henry Tate's slave plantations when he wasn't even born when the slave trade was abolished.
I append a brief biography of Henry Tate after the video.


Sir Henry Tate, 1st Baronet (11 March 1819 – 5 December 1899) was anEnglish sugar merchant and philanthropist, noted for establishing the Tate Gallery in London.

Life and career
Born in White Coppice, a hamlet near Chorley, Lancashire, Tate was the son of a Unitarian clergyman, the Reverend William Tate, and his wife Agnes néeBooth. When he was 13, he became a grocer's apprentice in Liverpool. After a seven-year apprenticeship, he was able to set up his own shop. His business was successful, and grew to a chain of six stores by the time he was 35. In 1859 Tate became a partner in John Wright & Co. sugar refinery, selling his grocery business in 1861. By 1869, he had gained complete control of the company, and renamed it as Henry Tate & Sons. In 1872, he purchased thepatent from German Eugen Langen for making sugar cubes, and in the same year built a new refinery in Liverpool. In 1877 he opened a refinery atSilvertown, London, which remains in production. At the time, much of Silvertown was still marshland.[1] Tate was a modest, rather retiring man, well known for his concern with workers’ conditions. He built the Tate Institute opposite his Thames Refinery, with a bar and dance hall for the workers' recreation.[2]

Tate rapidly became a millionaire and donated generously to charity. In 1889 he donated his collection of 65 contemporary paintings to the government, on the condition that they be displayed in a suitable gallery, toward the construction of which he also donated £80,000. The National Gallery of British Art, nowadays known as Tate Britain, was opened on 21 July 1897, on the site of the old Millbank Prison.

Tate made many donations, often anonymously and always discreetly. He supported "alternative" and non-establishment causes. There was £10,000 for the library of Manchester College, founded in Manchester in 1786 as a dissenting academyto provide religious nonconformists with higher education. He also gave the College (which had retained its name during moves to York, London and finally Oxford), £5,000 to promote the ‘theory and art of preaching’. In addition he gave £20,000 to the (homoeopathic) Hahnemann Hospital in Liverpool in 1885. He particularly supported health and education with his money, giving £42,500 for Liverpool University, £3,500 for Bedford College for Women, and £5,000 for building a free libraryin Streatham. Additional provisions were made for libraries in Balham, South Lambeth, and Brixton. He also gave £8,000 to the Liverpool Royal Infirmary, and £5,000 to the Queen Victoria Jubilee Institute, which became the Queen's Institute for District Nurses.

Tate was made a baronet on 27 June 1898.[3] He had refused this title more than once until – after he had spent £150,000 to build the Millbank Gallery, endowed it with his personal collection, and presented it to the nation – he was told the Royal Family would be offended if he refused again.[2]

In 1921, after Tate's death, Henry Tate & Sons merged with Abram Lyle & Sons to form Tate & Lyle.[2]

In 2001, a blue plaque commemorating Sir Henry was unveiled on the site of his first shop at 42 Hamilton Street, Birkenhead. In 2006 a Wetherspoons pub in his home town of Chorley was named after the sugar magnate.

Personal life
Tate married Jane Wignall on 1 March 1841 in Liverpool.[4] They had three sons. Tate lived at Park Hill by Streatham Common, South London, and is buried in nearby West Norwood Cemetery, the gates of which are opposite a public library that he endowed. Park Hill became a nunnery after his death until refurbishment as housing around 2004.
 
CH1 said:
In a way this could almost be in the Corona thread - but the reason I'm posting it here is that for all Rashid's expertise as a community activist, I think it is wrong to riff on about Henry Tate's slave plantations when he wasn't even born when the slave trade was abolished.
I append a brief biography of Henry Tate after the video.


Sir Henry Tate, 1st Baronet (11 March 1819 – 5 December 1899) was anEnglish sugar merchant and philanthropist, noted for establishing the Tate Gallery in London.

Life and career
Born in White Coppice, a hamlet near Chorley, Lancashire, Tate was the son of a Unitarian clergyman, the Reverend William Tate, and his wife Agnes néeBooth. When he was 13, he became a grocer's apprentice in Liverpool. After a seven-year apprenticeship, he was able to set up his own shop. His business was successful, and grew to a chain of six stores by the time he was 35. In 1859 Tate became a partner in John Wright & Co. sugar refinery, selling his grocery business in 1861. By 1869, he had gained complete control of the company, and renamed it as Henry Tate & Sons. In 1872, he purchased thepatent from German Eugen Langen for making sugar cubes, and in the same year built a new refinery in Liverpool. In 1877 he opened a refinery atSilvertown, London, which remains in production. At the time, much of Silvertown was still marshland.[1] Tate was a modest, rather retiring man, well known for his concern with workers’ conditions. He built the Tate Institute opposite his Thames Refinery, with a bar and dance hall for the workers' recreation.[2]

Tate rapidly became a millionaire and donated generously to charity. In 1889 he donated his collection of 65 contemporary paintings to the government, on the condition that they be displayed in a suitable gallery, toward the construction of which he also donated £80,000. The National Gallery of British Art, nowadays known as Tate Britain, was opened on 21 July 1897, on the site of the old Millbank Prison.

Tate made many donations, often anonymously and always discreetly. He supported "alternative" and non-establishment causes. There was £10,000 for the library of Manchester College, founded in Manchester in 1786 as a dissenting academyto provide religious nonconformists with higher education. He also gave the College (which had retained its name during moves to York, London and finally Oxford), £5,000 to promote the ‘theory and art of preaching’. In addition he gave £20,000 to the (homoeopathic) Hahnemann Hospital in Liverpool in 1885. He particularly supported health and education with his money, giving £42,500 for Liverpool University, £3,500 for Bedford College for Women, and £5,000 for building a free libraryin Streatham. Additional provisions were made for libraries in Balham, South Lambeth, and Brixton. He also gave £8,000 to the Liverpool Royal Infirmary, and £5,000 to the Queen Victoria Jubilee Institute, which became the Queen's Institute for District Nurses.

Tate was made a baronet on 27 June 1898.[3] He had refused this title more than once until – after he had spent £150,000 to build the Millbank Gallery, endowed it with his personal collection, and presented it to the nation – he was told the Royal Family would be offended if he refused again.[2]

In 1921, after Tate's death, Henry Tate & Sons merged with Abram Lyle & Sons to form Tate & Lyle.[2]

In 2001, a blue plaque commemorating Sir Henry was unveiled on the site of his first shop at 42 Hamilton Street, Birkenhead. In 2006 a Wetherspoons pub in his home town of Chorley was named after the sugar magnate.

Personal life
Tate married Jane Wignall on 1 March 1841 in Liverpool.[4] They had three sons. Tate lived at Park Hill by Streatham Common, South London, and is buried in nearby West Norwood Cemetery, the gates of which are opposite a public library that he endowed. Park Hill became a nunnery after his death until refurbishment as housing around 2004.
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I like Rashid and the film is typically Rashid.Its a steam of consciousness that detours before coming back to the main subject- Tate.

On this subject - Sir Henry Tate

As Rashid said context is all. But he doesnt go into it.

Found a couple of articles - The one from LSE ( London Geographies) is good with references to other works.

Whilst the above short biography is correct Tate didnt own slaves that doesn't mean no connection. Slavery was abolished but the exploitiative relationship between this country and its Carribbean colonies did not end. Tate was a major figure who profited out of the exploitiative relationship. Which was built on slavery and plantations.

Here is what the Tate Modern/ Tate Britain now say of the time that Henry Tate was a big player in the sugar market:
The monoculture of sugar, and the land-ownership and labour practices implemented by British firms that dominated the industry in the British colonies in the second half of the 19th century and most of the 20th century, contributed to the progressive under-development and impoverishment of the Caribbean
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The Tate Galleries and Slavery | Tate

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londongeographies.com is your first and best source for all of the information you’re looking for. From general topics to more of what you would expect to find here, londongeographies.com has it all. We hope you find what you are searching for!
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This article has interesting discussion of Tate statue in Brixton and the library ( reference to Brixton Buzz history piece on library). Whether all reference to the exploitation that funded the library and the bust should be removed or as Rashid points out the "context" made visible.

A suggestion made is to put a new statue next to the bust of Sir Henry Tate of one of the workers in the sugar cane plantations in Jamaica.

The article is saying that these buildings and statues are passed by every day but not noticed. The context as Rashid points out is not visible.


The history of this asset ( Tate Library) however, provides a perfect example of how British imperialism and capitalism “comes to be cloaked in the cloth of philanthropy”, through providing a free library aimed at edifying the working class, using the money from an exploitative engagement with colonial Jamaica
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