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Cat Fan
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We have two in nappies and not sure we could quite manage with fortnightly. They did say in the FAQs that they're considering offering bigger bins for families with babies and/or medical waste needs.
How they go about assessing that I have no idea. I'm not even sure I want a bigger black bin as they're quite unsightly and would end up being used opportunistically by passers by
How they go about assessing that I have no idea. I'm not even sure I want a bigger black bin as they're quite unsightly and would end up being used opportunistically by passers by
Looking forward to a nice reduction in council tax to reflect this cost cutting. The unaccountable and useless incompetents that run the council have the gall to pay themselves 6 figure salaries while cutting refuse services. London is a dirty city as it is and this measure will only increase fly tipping.
Cat Fan
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I think that this bin policy could lose Labour seats at the next election if the Lib Dems play this well. The Lib Dems already came out opposing the new parking charges which I know people are angry about.
Has Labour got too complacent?
The fact is while biweekly collection works for leafy suburban areas fine, Lambeth is in the top 5 most densely populated areas in the whole of the UK.
At least the foxes who live on our road will be happy. Lots of extra food for them will be spilling out all over the place.
Has Labour got too complacent?
The fact is while biweekly collection works for leafy suburban areas fine, Lambeth is in the top 5 most densely populated areas in the whole of the UK.
At least the foxes who live on our road will be happy. Lots of extra food for them will be spilling out all over the place.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
Which is precisely why they're doing all this now, of course. Somehow I don't remember any details of big cuts to waste services or increases to parking charges in the Labour campaign materials.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
Sure, but Manchester is not as densely populated as inner London
sparkybird
ask the bird...
Food waste is still going to be collected weekly though.....
Yep - and surely this will encourage people to use food waste bins better.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
People won't use them unless they can be made fox proof. Fox proofing was mentioned in the survey, so the council must be aware of the issue.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
They are lockable (at least mine is). We have lots of foxes around here (the sound of them shagging keeps me awake at the moment
) but my bin has never been opened by them.Bigger issue is that public bins are not fox proof so nappies, fried chicken, kitchen waste ends up all over the place. Especially the parks.
Gramsci
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Your belief in Lambeth Consultation considering the evidence that this Labour administration does it extremely poorly is touching.
Have you read the Kerslake report on Housing?
Or do you think someone like Lord Kerslake was out to have a go at the Council. As you think many residents who post here do?
His report validated what the Lambeth Green Party and other Lambeth people have being saying for years.
That this right wing Labour administration has to put it politely a poor record on consultation.
In my long experience I would say the same.
Culture2020 consultation-- the Council ignored it and went for the Better gyms/ libraries deal. Thus kicking off months of dispute with residents.
Loughborough Junction Masterplan- the consultation did not get results officers wanted so they altered findings. Leading to months of argument. Eventually ending with Council leadership saying mistakes had been made. Punishment for residents was that officers got upset and threw their toys out the pram. And refused to finish the masterplan.
The ongoing saga of the Rec. My Cllr Rachel supported residents over the Rec as she did on various issues. She rightly came to conclusion that the Council were not consulting residents properly or listening to them. Her punishment. To be kicked out off Council Despite being genuinely popular Cllr. She supported residents when Council were trying to steamroll unpopular policies onto residents. This apparently is a crime of the worst order.
Your quite entitled to have a hard on about a right wing Labour Council run by the Progress ( now Progressive Britain ) faction of the Labour party.
However the reason not all of us do get a hard on is due to genuine experience of dealing with the Council on a long term basis.
Oh ffs - I know these things but also recognise that just cos the council has (major) issues with some things doesn’t mean events in parks/changes to bins/L*Ns/parking charge increases etc etc are also automatically shit or part of some conspiracy as some people on here automatically go to.
Also calling them right wing suggests you have larger political issues than anything tbh.
Also calling them right wing suggests you have larger political issues than anything tbh.
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It's not about conspiracy theories (pie in the sky fantasies made up by nuts), it's about concrete examples of bad practice - Lambeth consultations are mostly an example of very bad practise and thus don't feel like consultations at all.
As for your list, as I've said before a great idea is not a great idea if not executed well. I don't know about bins yet, I'm not aware of the parking stuff but as about 10 000 Pokemon fans are about to drop on the park without any consultation and LTNs still exclude the disabled, yeah, I'd say there's some work to go before you can laud these as a success.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
Actually it's 10,000 per session, two sessions per day, three days, so 60,000 over the course of the event.
Heavy equipment being installed and taken down.
No gates so no way to limit numbers really. Makes sense that many of the people who brought tickets will bring friends and family along and share the experience, but they won't be counted in the official number.
But not a major event, obvs. Basically on the level of a family picnic by Lambeth's standards.
Gramsci
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Did the Council online survey about changing to twice weekly bin collection.
Long preamble about how Council was going for zero waste. Only co incidental that this would save money.
Even longer consultation form to wade through. Some questions I just did not answer as imo they were leading questions , not really about twice weekly bin collection, which were guiding one too support Council policy.
The consultation doc could have been a third of the size and more to the point.
Long preamble about how Council was going for zero waste. Only co incidental that this would save money.
Even longer consultation form to wade through. Some questions I just did not answer as imo they were leading questions , not really about twice weekly bin collection, which were guiding one too support Council policy.
The consultation doc could have been a third of the size and more to the point.
Cat Fan
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There's no option to say no to the change, only "how can we make this easier for you" basically.
Like for the parking one, the decision has effectively already been made
Tulster218
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Yes, it's a consultation not a referendum.
Local Councillors are elected to take decisions. After they have taken decisions the council consults with the local population to fine tune the decision, and iron out any issues. The original decision isn't going to change.
The only way to change decisions like this is through the ballot box.
Gramsci
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Sorry this is wrong.
More than once at meetings with Council on various issues Ive said Council have already made the decision on xyz issue.
The retort from officers and Cllrs is that no we have not. Which is correct in terms of public decision making.
But the cynical amongst us might think decision has been made consultation or no consultation.
If you read the consultation sent out by Council on this it says:
So no you are wrong technically. Council have not officially made the decision. They are consulting on a proposal.
So on this your wrong. The Council consultation does not say a decision has been taken.
Basically cynics like me and Cat Fan think the decision informally has been already made informally
But formally no and Council have an obligation to consult.
The confusion I believe have happened due to pandemic. When for a short time Councils could take decisions due to social distancing etc without the more long winded consultation.
Now we are back to normal.
Some might have enjoyed that period when Councils could just do things in pandemic without the full consultation with general public. As it suited there vested interests.
Now its not going to happen.
So you are wrong.
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Gramsci
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The argument you put forward could also be used against the Kerslake report.
Lambeth Labour keep getting voted in with big majorities despite for example pissing off residents of Council estates earmarked for HfL regeneration.
Basically the argument you put forward is one senior officers and Cllrs would prefer to agree with.
Lord Kerslake disagreed.
His argument was the local democracy also included working with local residents.
Not what you are saying.
What you are saying is very limited view of how democracy could work.
Cat Fan
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Yes, I don't think democracy should only happen once every three years at the ballot box.
Most people vote tribally and have no idea what the local council is doing except for collecting bins.
I challenge you to find someone on the street who can name a single council policy. Most probably don't even know who is representing them.
Most people vote tribally and have no idea what the local council is doing except for collecting bins.
I challenge you to find someone on the street who can name a single council policy. Most probably don't even know who is representing them.
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