There isn’t any evidence this is caused by the ltn though is there ?
Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
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There isn’t any evidence this is caused by the ltn though is there ?
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hiraethified
You think closing Shakespeare Road has absolutely zero impact?
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hiraethified
If Shakespeare Road was such a trivial route why is it now a LTN?
you seem to be parroting the catch phrases of onemarketingcompany
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Jesterburger
Well-Known Member
I'm in that WhatsApp group, and the three people removed were not engaging in constructive conversation and were being actively insulting to other members. They were warned, carried on, and then were removed.
That group has many fully anti or sceptical members and we continue to chat about the issues, it gets fraught at times but we mostly mange to calm it down amongst ourselves. We certainly don't agree on many things but we do have constructive conversations about what some tweaks might look like.
Emotions run high but being an optimist I (& others) have tried to help keep the group somewhere where we can all chat and hear each others opinions without calling each other names. Call me naive but just breaking into two sides doesn't help get to a final outcome that the majority can be happy with.
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hiraethified
Don't patronise me or try to me associate me with them, thank you. Why won't you just answer my question?
I've already stated that I believe that the LTNs are contributing to the congestion, but are clearly not solely responsible. But whatever is causing it it's pissing me off and I'd like it to stop, thanks.
Jesterburger
Well-Known Member
Looking at Waze (possibly too obsessively) the last few days since the Tulse Hill LTN went live and it does look like Coldharbour lane is constantly one of the most jammed roads in Brixton, more continuously even than Brixton Hill. I can imagine that must be deeply unpleasant. Atlantic Road closing must be a contributor as well as the LTNs - which to me suggests Brixton BID's desire to close it permanently may be a non-starter
Gramsci
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....and many, many local businesses. Someone said on FB that Pimlico Plumbers, who are based in Lambeth, have been blogging about it. I don't know how many they employ but I can imagine they send a long time on the roads given the equipment they need with them.
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The owner is typical self made wealthy businessman who like to think they know what the "real" world is like,
I heard him on radio a while back really angry as one his "self employed" plumbers had taken him to tribunal over the so called self employment he had them on and won. Why should hard pressed businessmen give sick pay to those who work for them? He thinks he pays his plumbers well so what is the problem? Ive worked for people like this. They think they are givng you a great deal and resent any moaning about it. Inference is they have worked hard and pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and you haven't. ( he has "pulled himself up" as he does come from poor background. But I have an issue with so called "meritocracy") So stop whining. Thatcherist mentality.
He did, however, oppose Brexit. So the idea put on this thread that supporting Brexit = opposing LTNs is not the case.
Plenty of otherwise right wing people opposed Brexit. Being a Remainer is not a badge of being progressive.
He was giving funds to Tories switched to LDs over the Brexit issue.
I do know van drivers who are finding the increasing number of LTNs becoming a headache. Increasing journey times. So apart from all his other views he could be right and his plumbers are finding it more difficult to get around.
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CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Regarding Pimlico Plumbers I was taken aback the other night to see Charlie Mullins taking in hand a somewhat camp young guy as a lodger - in the Channel 4 show Lodgers for Codgers.
I don't normally watch programmes like that - and I venture to suggest that all participants are portrayed as being not the full shilling. Nevertheless Charlie announced his TV appearance on his website.
Channel 4's Lodgers for Codgers: I absolutely loved doing the Charlie and Che Show | Pimlico Plumbers
Actually Charlie Mullins is in the same vein as Michael O'Leary (RyanAir), Mike Ashley (Sports Direct) or even beardy Richard Branson. Unfortunately this is what we have to offer the world - and this is what we will get now Brexit is accomplished.
I don't normally watch programmes like that - and I venture to suggest that all participants are portrayed as being not the full shilling. Nevertheless Charlie announced his TV appearance on his website.
Channel 4's Lodgers for Codgers: I absolutely loved doing the Charlie and Che Show | Pimlico Plumbers
Actually Charlie Mullins is in the same vein as Michael O'Leary (RyanAir), Mike Ashley (Sports Direct) or even beardy Richard Branson. Unfortunately this is what we have to offer the world - and this is what we will get now Brexit is accomplished.
snowy_again
Slush
Pimlico bloke had to edit a blog when he called cyclists ‘fascists’ called for them to be taxed to use the roads etc.
He's blogged his anti Khan / anti TFL, anti cyclists views before and is a regular on Nick Ferrari radio shows and talk radio - a little England Tory.
www.forbes.com
Also regularly drives like an idiot up Croxted Road
He's blogged his anti Khan / anti TFL, anti cyclists views before and is a regular on Nick Ferrari radio shows and talk radio - a little England Tory.
Multi-Millionaire London Plumber Says Cycleways And ‘Cycle Fascists’ Making Van Journeys Longer
London plumbing boss Charlie Mullins has taken to Twitter and his company blog to attack cyclists.
www.forbes.com
Also regularly drives like an idiot up Croxted Road
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
That is because - like Tim Martin of Wetherspoons - he wanted little England with free movement of labour.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
No one's argued that there's some kind of literal ideological correlaton between brexiteering and opposition to LTNs (least of all me, I voted out and I support LTNs). It's just there is a fairly typical Mr Angry type who is in love with his car and who also voted out, I have literally seen people on facebook (MOBS page) who have made brexit and fighting against LTNs part of the same struggle.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
The argument that supporting Brexit and opposing LTNs go together has been regularly posted up on this thread.
The head of Pimlico plumbers has been called a "little England Tory" here even though he was against Brexit.
I also look at FB page of One Lambeth and I have also attended one of their demos. I didn't see a lot of racist/ Brexit types at the demo. Nor were any of the speeches at the demo mentioning Brexit. I see a lot of angry car drivers on the One Lambeth FB posting up videos of how they can't drive around. They are angry that does not make them Brexit voters.
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Gramsci
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Tim Martin was Brexit supporter. Owner of Pimlico plumbers opposed Brexit.
What Im objecting to on this thread is reducing the pro and snti LTN to a binary "culture war" between the forces of light ( Remainers/ pro LTN/ pro immigration/ tolerant) who oppose the forces of darkness ( Brexit supporters/ racists/ little Englanders/ anti LTN) Im talking about Lambeth in this case.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Why is everyone so desperate to tie this firmly into political affiliations? It's complicated enough already. And the he said she said gossip focusing on random individuals is playground stuff.
Really interesting little podcast here called The Fragility of Choice which looks at an attempt at research into how we make choices.
www.bbc.co.uk
Really interesting little podcast here called The Fragility of Choice which looks at an attempt at research into how we make choices.
The Big Idea - The fragility of choice - BBC Sounds
Where do our opinions come from and how easy is it for people to change them?
www.bbc.co.uk
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
So you were involved in that decision to spend public money fixing that which was not broken?
(and create a hazard to pedestrians at the same time)
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'm saying that Lambeth could have done this so much better by planning out where to roll it out progressively, so as to not displace traffic in great frigging bunches. As it is, because most of the LTNs have been rolled out over a couple of months, we're seeing chaos on main roads. I agree with teuchter that the flow will ebb gradually, but proper traffic surveying could have achieved this without displacing rat-running onto other side roads, & ramming up the main roads so thoroughly.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I was sitting outside a cafe on Streatham High Rd on Thursday, enjoying a very nice Americano, watching cars pass. My "back of a shopping list" 5 minute survey of cars heading toward Streatham Hill, showed 1 in 7 cars to be Priuses. They're breeding!!!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I don't think the Brexit stuff is really relevant and I agree it's unhelpful to bring that up.
However, the tendency for tories to be anti LTN does fit with the tory ideology of individualist freedom, in my opinion. It's not irrelevant to the discussion.
It's not a coincidence that the tory borough of Wandsworth cancelled their schemes, that Lambeth's sole tory councillor is opposing the Lambeth LTNs, and that tory-supporting, boris-backing Pimlico Plumbers man is opposing the LTNs.
I don't think this means that being opposed to the LTNs makes you a tory. I recognise that there are reasons people might be against them, that don't stem from an individualist ideology.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Apparently - according to a cllr - the "issues" boil down to hundreds of LAs ordering dozens of cameras each, at the same time. Manufacturers & installers are snowed under.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Understandable. But hardly unpredictable.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Much as I hate to admit it, Briggs makes some good points. Proper consultation, followed by progressive roll-out, would have been more efficient.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
One of your ward cllrs is the toxic individual who said, back before the 2014 local elections, that Coldharbour had "too many damned council tenants". This was said in the context of it meaning he had to do lots of ward surgery work.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
57 Labour, 5 Greens, 1 Tory. 63 cllrs in total.
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