CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Where I live (on Coldharbour Lane) it's sometimes safer for pedestrians to walk in the road!
Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
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thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
I've lived on Coldharbour Lane and its shit for walking and cycling but I think you're rather exaggerating.
Lots could be done to improve the worst section from the railway to Gresham Road though. WTF is with all those bollards that take about a third of the pavement for a start? (probably put there because drivers used to park or drive over it). Remove all the parking (and actually enforce it) - there are regularly cars parked opposite Somerleyton Road that snarl up the junction and mean buses can't make the turn in or out.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Just a concerned group of local residents paying for advertising... #astroturf
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Jesterburger
Well-Known Member
Agreed - I've seen several of that type of incident (although normally they resolve a bit quicker) on Leander Road over the years - the result of narrow roads with parking on both sides, two way traffic, people driving too fast, and Ferndale is similar.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
Holy Crap! I didn't watch it all, stopped when the UberEats delivery driver who looked like he was trying to calm things down got punched and kicked to the ground. Why are people so angry? And why didn't one the two vans 'give way' whole thing could have been over and done with in seconds- honestly it's like watching a pissing contest sometimes...
editor
hiraethified
Twats in cars/vans, innit.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Happens all the time at a junction near me. There are deliveries to an industrial unit, sometimes involves quite large lorries reversing into or out of the access road. This process sometimes means that cars on the main road have to stop and wait. The chaps from the factory have to go out on the main road to guide the lorry drivers in and out, and they often get shouted and sworn at by car drivers who appear to have zero patience, beeping their horns or trying to drive aggressively around the obstruction, sometimes onto the pavements. I feel sorry for the guys who are just trying to do their job, especially when all the impatience leads to some kind of logjam that then means the lorry can't move at all, and everyone gets even more angry and aggressive.
Jeanette Moo
Active Member
How much does this cost to do?.
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organicpanda
cat herder extraodinaire
the bollards were put outside my place on Coldharbour due to the fact that drivers can't drive at 20 mph and keep their cars on the road, would be nice to think that you could walk on the pavement without the risk of 2 tonnes of metal (or however much they weigh) mowing you down
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I don't know. I have looked a little but cannot find anything so far.
I would like to know if that is the case for each LTN.
It does not help that the literature / commonplace info the Council puts out does not tell the public about this.
In case of an Emergency Traffic Order there is specific way to object. So imo anti LTN comments on the Commonplace maps won't count for much.
I also would like to know why Council is using them at all. They already have a pandemic related Traffic Order for the Borough to bring in alterations to roads on temporary basis.
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Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I also live near the speeding patch of CHL. One thing that could be done is put speed cameras on that section. They do work.
Cars/ motorbikes often floor it on my bit of CHL. Overtaking other cars who are going 20mph.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Ive just emailed the email address for LTN queries to ask about Traffic orders. Ive attached the ones I have found. ( Three in total)
Dear Sir/ Madam,
I see for Oval LTN a ETO Experimental Traffic Order is being used.
Can you please tell me if ETO are being used for each new LTN in Lambeth?
I would also like to know why an ETO is being used.
The other two Traffic orders I have found. One for Oval and one for the whole borough are related to the pandemic. Which is fair enough. They are time limited.
An ETO for Oval does not mention the pandemic.
Can you explain to me what is going on? And why is Lambeth using ETO for Oval LTN. This is unrelated to the pandemic and would lead to permanent LTN.
Will see what reply I get.
organicpanda
cat herder extraodinaire
I've seen cars overtaking other cars that were doing 40+ cameras would certainly have an effect but when our wall was hit the police council and TFL each bounced it away from themselves, all saying something must be done but no money
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I think the Council should get its priorities right and sort out this as part of Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I think you will find the bollards were put there by the soon-to-be abolished GLC.
They thought they were being helpful, whilst using up their remaining funds.
At the same time then, get cameras on some modal filters. The Lyham road one can be dicey as a cyclist. Couple of timeS I’ve had drivers do a quick ‘think’, then floor it directly through the no entry signs, at me on my bike, figuring I‘d scramble for the kerb. Full daylight, and my front light is always on. Some days, waking past, I’ve seen a number of cars in a row do this. One sent several cyclists scattering.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I also would like more speed cameras, and 20mph limits to be properly enforced.
But not before we've done consultation with everyone, right? Because it's clear from driver behaviour that a lot of local residents don't believe 20mph limits are necessary or useful. They are more of a vague suggestion. Think of the time it would add on to many essential journeys. It's just another arm of the war on the motorist and a restriction on people's freedom.
And during the consultation all the usual groups could come up with reasons why 20mph zones, and/or speed cameras are overkill, and a sneaky way for Big Brother to keep an eye on us, and by the way the only reason they go up is to make the council money. And then 2 or 3 years down the line we can make a political decision based on a non-scientific assessment of how much support there is. Maybe some kind of watered-down version, like 20mph limits mixed in with higher limits too.
I notice on many of the anti LTN groups there's a lot of people saying "but all we really need is 20mph limits and speed bumps". But it's not that long ago I was arguing with folk on here about whether or not a London-wide 20mph limit should happen. We went through all the stuff about how it just causes more pollution. Or that it's too difficult for people to keep to, because of something to do with gears. Etc etc.
But not before we've done consultation with everyone, right? Because it's clear from driver behaviour that a lot of local residents don't believe 20mph limits are necessary or useful. They are more of a vague suggestion. Think of the time it would add on to many essential journeys. It's just another arm of the war on the motorist and a restriction on people's freedom.
And during the consultation all the usual groups could come up with reasons why 20mph zones, and/or speed cameras are overkill, and a sneaky way for Big Brother to keep an eye on us, and by the way the only reason they go up is to make the council money. And then 2 or 3 years down the line we can make a political decision based on a non-scientific assessment of how much support there is. Maybe some kind of watered-down version, like 20mph limits mixed in with higher limits too.
I notice on many of the anti LTN groups there's a lot of people saying "but all we really need is 20mph limits and speed bumps". But it's not that long ago I was arguing with folk on here about whether or not a London-wide 20mph limit should happen. We went through all the stuff about how it just causes more pollution. Or that it's too difficult for people to keep to, because of something to do with gears. Etc etc.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I was not arguing with 20mph limits. Nor have I been arguing against traffic calming measures.
So hope no implication is being made Im being hypocritical
As section of road between LJ and Brixton has clear speeding with accidents then it shows their is a specific problem that needs sorting out.
This apparently wont happen as funds are lacking according to what has been posted here. I would have thought proven issue like this should be a priority.
So hope no implication is being made Im being hypocritical
As section of road between LJ and Brixton has clear speeding with accidents then it shows their is a specific problem that needs sorting out.
This apparently wont happen as funds are lacking according to what has been posted here. I would have thought proven issue like this should be a priority.
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sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
editor
hiraethified
It's a Lambeth press release and thus not necessarily factual.
There was one comment on your story and it talked about seeking compensation from Lambeth which is interesting as it was the same thing that was mentioned in the latest spats on Nextdoor. So I was wondering whether (it’s probably discussed on that closed Facebook group) there’s a change in tactics underway. We can’t change the political decision as we haven’t got the numbers so we will sue for compensation instead, sort of class action USA style. I have no proof for any of this just the use of that word
snowy_again
Slush
Is that the usual ‘who pays for the roads’ confusion some drivers have?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Torpid Scorpion
Basket case
How nice, rich people with cars want to stop everyone breathing and cycling.
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
Not everyone with a car is rich. The rich are more likely to be working from home in the leafy suburbs or travelling on rail which is now a preserve of the better off
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Very definitely not what I have observed in London in the past few weeks.
Yes, not everyone with a car is rich, and yes the rich are more likely to be working from home in the leafy suburbs. But the rich in the leafy suburbs are not going to be getting on the train right now if they can drive instead. On the train are mainly people without that option.
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