chowce5382
Active Member
I haven’t seen this. I’ve said time and time again that these comparisons are stupid and nonsensical. However, i’ll do it again. The activists are nothing like the Taliban. That is a pretty idiotic thing to say
Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
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you wouldn’t even call out the vile OneLambeth Twitter account.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
Both of them. Pretty sure Stella is just Davey on another accountPredictably, this article about SUVs has turned into an irresistible magnet for comments from the utterly obsessed anti LTN brigade.
Climate change activists let down the tyres of luxury SUV vehicles in Dulwich
Climate activists The Last Gasp deflated the tyres of environmentally unfriendly SUV vehicles around Dulwich last night. They told Brixton Buzz:www.brixtonbuzz.com
chowce5382
Active Member
I did Ed. I told you I didn’t agree with what they were saying but that I didn’t control it or have any control over what was posted. I mentioned it a numbers of times to the person(s) running it that the posts were ridiculous and, at times, offensive. What you didn’t seem to like was the idea that I didn’t control it. What I had to do was decide to make a stand and leave or stay and carry on supporting the one person who mattered in all this. Given that Twitter is 90% shit-hole hell fest and the account was only talking to a tiny number of people, the more humane thing to do was to stick around and support sofia.
chowce5382
Active Member
I know, life is tricky when you don’t just think about yourself
Seriously? ➡
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
they'd have taken over the country if they were
chowce5382
Active Member
Yup. I’m against a policy which benefits me because it’s makes the lives of others pretty miserable. When was the last time you campaigned, gave money/time to something that was directly against your personal interests?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
every day when i go to work. like every other worker in the country i'm exploited by my boss who expects me to be happy about the fact
Seriously Charlie, you know nothing about me.
You’ve also said you ‘just sign the cheques’ but now you’re an active part of the campaign - what is it?
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
I can't help thinking most of those who have campaigned against the LTNs were probably just as joyless and miserable before.
“If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.” comes to mind.
“If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.” comes to mind.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
"When was the last time you campaigned, gave money/time to something that was directly against your personal interests"
Isn't this pretty much all environmental campaigners? The reality of addressing the climate crisis is that we all need to consume less, fly less, probably just travel less - our long term interests are best served by less convenience and luxury in the short term.
Isn't this pretty much all environmental campaigners? The reality of addressing the climate crisis is that we all need to consume less, fly less, probably just travel less - our long term interests are best served by less convenience and luxury in the short term.
liquidindian
Hello
As they make the schemes permanent the wooden planters can be recycled into a cross for our martyr. Call it public art, maybe.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I think that's right.
Has anyone tried harassing the safer neighborhoods team about these things?
madolesance
Well-Known Member
This bike locker is currently being used by the St Mathews bicycle project which aims are to offer free cycle training to estate residents (there are bicycles that have been donated for the project being stored in the locker). Lambeth also offer this training for free. The lockers are paid for by the funding that SMETA got granted. Their long time goal is to offer spaces in them for local estate residents.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
I take it that the project has not started yet? My son always asks why the bikes never move. Then the tables and chairs appeared!
Rushy
basically a scrotum
That seems an odd way of looking at it. Surely if you are managing or designing a project and know that police / safer neighbourhood won't have resources (or indeed inclination) to police it and your own resources for monitoring are insufficient, it is the project manager's responsibility to design out problems. For instance, simply moving the gate to the other side of Herne place would solve the motorbikes in the park issue and practically deliver the same Railton LTN in every regard. I don't think many project designers of any sort would have the luxury of creating a hazard and arguing that because that hazard constitutes a criminal offence it should fall to someone else to rectify.
Re covering number plates, enforcement has to be central to the scheme. Of course it is not the scheme's fault that people choose to break the law. But it is very foreseeable that they will and that this creates a potential hazard. A plan should have been in place for how to deal with this, even if it is for instance a dedicated roaming LTN monitoring role, perhaps even shared with another borough. Or funding for an additional officer, or even shared officer, in the department which monitors such things. I'm not being specific - there are lots of options for various budgets. What is very disappointing is the apparent lack of preparation and assumption that someone else will deal with it.
Definitely raise the park issue with the councillors as moving the gate would solve this but would need a whole new traffic order.
The council has said it’s working with police about the number plate issue - it’s not just covered ones though, fake ones are huge! Not sure you can blame these on the LTN though presumably they’re for congestion charge, ULEZ, speeding etc etc the LTNs just make the issue more obvious.
liquidindian
Hello
Surely that should make them easier to spot.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
As I said very early on in this thread, poor planning by inexperienced "enthusiasts", poor engagement and then the LTN team focus would be on to somewhere so it would be a battle to get attention to make changes.
Have you raised it? How will they know it’s an issue unless people raise it, there’s been tons of consultation.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I'm talking about the numberplate issue really - if the Herne Place motorbike issue could be resolved through design changes then yes that should be for Lambeth to deal with.
However, the issue of covered/fake numberplates is a wider one that Lambeth have little power to do anything about directly, because it has to be enforced by the police and yes that relies on police resources which in turn rely on political incentives to properly resource the police so that they can take action on this and a whole load of other things like speeding and dangerous driving in general.
People like me see that wider issue as one resulting from a general societal atittude that doesn't want drivers' freedoms restricted, but also hope that these attitudes are gradually changing, at least in London. Things can very slowly change if more and more people make a fuss about them, sufficient to make them an issue when GLA or westminster elections come around, because those are the bodies which decide how the police is resourced and what they should concentrate on.
Therefore - I'd prefer LTNs implemented in the knowledge that there will be some contraventions that people get away with under the current regime, than that they are not implemented at all. The number of people willing to risk doing things like covering numberplates is relatively limited and the number of people passing through the filters/gates will still be substantially reduced.
I would imagine this is effectively the view that Lambeth have taken - they know some people will break the rules and get away with it, but it won't render the schemes ineffective. I'm not sure exactly what they can do, really. As I understand it, local authorities are not allowed to take any revenue from speed cameras (it must go to central government) therefore they are unwilling to pay for them - would the same apply to cameras that could record numberplates being covered? If Lambeth were unable to reclaim any of the cost of running such things through fines then I can see why they would be reluctant to implement it. I am ready to be better informed on the technicalities of this, however.
The reason I suggest hassling the safer neighbourhoods team about it is that even if they have limited resources, they will tend to apply them where they think there's demand for them. I know that they get requests for dealing with various things that I'd consider less important than covered numberplates being regarded as a low risk activity, and they do go and deal with those things or at least give the impression of making an effort. Maybe even a sporadic enforcement action around LTN filters is outside of their scope or outside of what they can request assistance with from the wider met police... I don't know. I do know that sufficient numbers of residents complaining about speeding in specific locations can produce the occasional speeding enforcement.
Going back to what Lambeth can do via design measures - well, I'd be interested to know if the design of filter locations can affect driver behaviour to some extent. The one at Van Gogh Walk was mentioned upthread and this is one of the most successful examples of such a thing that I've seen. It somehow remains well maintained, and well used. I pass through it from time to time and there are very often people using it, whether it's kids kicking balls around, people sitting chatting or reading or having small scale barbecues. Driving past some temporary planters and a bunch of signage, hoping you'll get away with it is one thing - driving through a more extensive street redesign with a meandering route, and people around watching you, is another. Would it affect the behaviour of the fake/covered numberplate crew? I don't know but it might.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but it looks like the gates have been put where they have least impact on access to properties and the greatest opportunity to create a pleasant space (extending out from the existing park, with the current fences removed if the mock up images are accurate. Sticking it to the north of Herne Place would mean the most you could do would be something like the plans for Marcus Garvey Way.
wouldn't necessarily stop motorcyclists riding around on the pavement in any case. I'd argue theres a balance to be struck between 'designing out crime' and making the place shittier than it needs to be because some might break the law if we make it nice and it kind of feels like a lot of the problems we're getting all over the place with motorbikes is a result of the proliferation of home delivery services that's really happened over the last 2.5 years since this was planned.
Most don't need to be on motorbikes - you'd hope more and more will shift to legal electric bikes - and it seems quite likely a lot of those companies will disappear once the venture capital money runs out and they have to start charging a real cost for the service.
Really? That's straight out of the Onesie nutter conspiracy script. Googling for 'lambeth transport planner jobs' the first thing I clicked on was this from 2019 which says they were recruiting "an experienced and resourceful Transport Planner to help drive forward the delivery of sustainable transport infrastructure projects across the borough...[with]...A relevant qualification in town planning, engineering, transport planning, or related subject."
That doesn't sound like the council officers who designed and implemented this scheme are "inexperienced enthusiasts". But at the same time, based on the post above, you think you know better and it should have been done differently - your own experience and expertise in street design is??
Rushy
basically a scrotum
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
Read the post - I didn't say you were. But that, ridiculous, line of attack is one that they use all the time - just the same as their claims that schemes went in where people shouted the loudest despite the council having published a strategy and explained how were going to prioritise LTNs some time before the pandemic started. And the idea that there was no (or poor) engagement when you're on a thread going back years that's picked up all the various stuff that's been done -Yup. Onesie nutter me. Obviously.
Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood wants your feedback on how your streets could be improved
Back in feb 2020 when it looks like a number of events and commonplace stuff had already gone on.
"They didn't do what I personally thought should be done" is not the same as "poor engagement". There has been a shit load of opportunities for comment and feedback over the whole course of this.
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