£350k+ - £45k does not equal £55k. Hope you’ve managed to pay the correct sum for Sofia’s invoice!
Anyway - head over here if you want to discuss further: Mighty Hoopla, Cross The Tracks, Wide Awake & Field Day festivals, Brockwell Park - discussion
Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
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£350k+ - £45k does not equal £55k. Hope you’ve managed to pay the correct sum for Sofia’s invoice!
Anyway - head over here if you want to discuss further: Mighty Hoopla, Cross The Tracks, Wide Awake & Field Day festivals, Brockwell Park - discussion
chowce5382
Active Member
Can you confirm what you think it is and I’ll let him know as I said I’d let him know if anyone had a better idea
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
The improvements in the top left are fairly anemic. Is that all £100k buys?
£350k+ minus £45k is £305k+
Any more over here please: Mighty Hoopla, Cross The Tracks, Wide Awake & Field Day festivals, Brockwell Park - discussion
Have you paid Sofia’s share of Lambeth’s legal costs yet?
chowce5382
Active Member
Minus the 100k costs as well for park investment? So 205k income, or profit.
Yup Lambeth costs paid, just as I told you they would be
Not sure how the £100k could be described as costs. The organises have to pay to repair any damage caused by the event.
Do you know what Lambeth’s profit/loss was from the court costs?
chowce5382
Active Member
No, can’t get hold of those figures either
No, can’t get hold of those figures either
Yeah - big joke!
Maybe you could tell your neighbour the festivals will help pay for Lambeth’s legal costs!
chowce5382
Active Member
LTN fines already done that by many multiples of timesYeah - big joke!
Maybe you could tell your neighbour the festivals will help pay for Lambeth’s legal costs!
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
Saw someone post some research on free public transport and is appears to be counter productive in many ways. Expensive, worsens experience for existing users and doesn't result in shift from trips that are currently driven.
three papers - but this is the most recent, from European cities,
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CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
The middle one comes from Florida - using old data from the early 1990s. Florida is a state where even Anglican vicars belong to gun clubs - as such would query the ethics of this report.
One sample conclusion being that free fares would lead to "nuisance riders" - just like large benches in Windrush Square.
The first report is on a faulty link.
The third one seems supports edcraw - big increase in ridership by people who would otherwise walk.
Massive obesity explosion.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
Link corrected in first one but it's a not the best data source.
The attitudes to 'undesirables' in the second are pretty unpleasant but I don't think that changes the findings, nor does the age of the paper as far as I can see.
The third is the definitely the most comprehensive. Also potentially relevant to the U16 free bus passes we have in London now - there are potentially negative side effects from many policies that seem attractive or popular.
The key thing is it completely fails as a way of reducing car use - price of public transport is clearly not the barrier to use for city public transport use.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
The Covid campaign certainly cut passengers though - only one per seat, none near the driver etc.
So I guess you must be angling for an information campaign aimed at drivers "is that journey really necessary?"
Perhaps the only democratic way of enforcing driver controls would be road pricing.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
They're planning on extending ULEZ to all of London. It's exactly the flat fee per day that you're proposing except limited to the most polluting vehicles only.
Maybe once it's in place though they can gradually expand it to cover more and more types of vehicles, the tech will be there.
Maybe once it's in place though they can gradually expand it to cover more and more types of vehicles, the tech will be there.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
How can you take that from what I’ve written? This was purely some research that seems to show free public transport is a bad idea in most situations
Personally I think most information campaigns are a waste of money. Asking people nicely to drive less / cycle more / obey the speed limit doesn’t seem to have been a successful strategy up to now.
Exactly this - once the infrastructure is in, it’s easy to expand its scope.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Main roads in London are maintained by TfL which means they are paid for out of TfL budget rather than from central govt (unlike everywhere else in the UK).
This of course means that while bus fares contribute to road maintenance, private motorists are free-loading! Time for them to pay up!
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Report of big new report from Centre for London on LTNs.
www.theguardian.com
- cycling up and driving down in LTNs
- road casualty decrease within LTNs
- more time needed to measure displacement but looks unlikely
- no evidence that policy harms poor and benefits rich; demographics inside and outside zones broadly matched
- councils should have done better with consultation/explanation
- should now introduce other measures to complement eg toad pricing/more segregated cycle lanes
Low-traffic neighbourhoods make roads safer but need a rebrand – report
Exclusive: study of London schemes says local communication should be improved but that benefits are clear
Rushy
basically a scrotum
So it's official. Toad pricing ... are there no limits to this madness?!Report of big new report from Centre for London on LTNs.
- cycling up and driving down in LTNs
- road casualty decrease within LTNs
- more time needed to measure displacement but looks unlikely
- no evidence that policy harms poor and benefits rich; demographics inside and outside zones broadly matched
- councils should have done better with consultation/explanation
- should now introduce other measures to complement eg toad pricing/more segregated cycle lanes
Low-traffic neighbourhoods make roads safer but need a rebrand – report
Exclusive: study of London schemes says local communication should be improved but that benefits are clear
If it ain't croak don't fix it.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Jesterburger
Well-Known Member
Ealing, westminster, bayswater, ealing again, embankment and then off to america, no footage of lambeth at allNew OneLambeth video!! Showing lots of congestion (not in Lambeth), a rather pleasant looking cycle lane (not sure what they have to do with LTNs - any ideas chowce5382 ) and some references to the American legal system
I see the cameras/planters etc have been removed from Streatham hill and tulse hill LTN because the legislation expired. New permanent changes being written but it’s back to 2019 for the moment. Explains why a couple of extra planters arrived in Railton this week and are being used by Sam the wheels.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
First draft of the permanent designs for the rest of the Railton filters are on the website now. Shakespeare Road especially looks like it will make it a really nice spot. I wonder if whoever it is cuts down all the flowers in the planters will keep it up when the permanent planting is in.
rtstreets.commonplace.is
Railton Low Traffic Neighbourhood
A space to learn about and feed into the Railton Low Traffic Neighbourhood.
rtstreets.commonplace.is
Yes I saw that and sort of wondered how the emergency services/bin lorries/exempted vehicles are going to negotiate through all those plantsFirst draft of the permanent designs for the rest of the Railton filters are on the website now. Shakespeare Road especially looks like it will make it a really nice spot. I wonder if whoever it is cuts down all the flowers in the planters will keep it up when the permanent planting is in.
View attachment 327019Railton Low Traffic Neighbourhood
A space to learn about and feed into the Railton Low Traffic Neighbourhood.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
Slowly.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
It's an interesting one, very ambitious to aim for a new "workshop space" under the bridge, with no amenities such as food/public toilets nearby and the chance that an exempt vehicle could drive through at any moment.First draft of the permanent designs for the rest of the Railton filters are on the website now. Shakespeare Road especially looks like it will make it a really nice spot. I wonder if whoever it is cuts down all the flowers in the planters will keep it up when the permanent planting is in.
View attachment 327019Railton Low Traffic Neighbourhood
A space to learn about and feed into the Railton Low Traffic Neighbourhood.
Fingers crossed it's well looked after and loved by the community. I doubt the council will spend money on regularly maintaining it so it may come down to volunteers.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
what do you do with a space under a bridge. Nothings going to grow. a good place for a hire bike station?
there shouldn’t be many vehicles driving through. I’ve never seen a bin lorry using it. Biggest issue is the supposely large number of criminals driving on cloned plates. This was in private eye recently.
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