Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
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liquidindian
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They can replace them with Workers Party placards.
chowce5382
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Except what he says above is not correct
chowce5382
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There were strict restrictions on the number of peope who could turn up.
Also, for those of you always saying “it’s the motor lobby” look at the people in the photo. These are the women who have done 90% of the work on this and nearly all of them have done so because they have someone who is “vulnerable” and impacted by LTNs
chowce5382
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As I’ve said all along with JR SR cases, the relief granted is up to the judge. Is not the same as a criminal case with a jury
The banner & signs aren't about this though which is surely telling. One of them is also a taxi driver.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
chowce5382
Active Member
Yup. One bloke. The rest are as I’ve said above, so that’s 90% who aren’t “the motor lobby”
Women can't be part of the motor lobby or taxi drivers?
The signs are pretty clear what they're campaigning for - getting rid of LTNs - no mention of this in the court case today, in fact your barrister seems to be a fan on LTNs.
chowce5382
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Because this is an appeal Ed. It’s not a rerun of the previous case. In any event, this wouldn’t be pertinent to the case. You can believe that these women are part of the motor lobby if you want that to be your convenient truth.
You really don't make a lot of sense, It's an appeal so their signs shouldn't mention what the case is actually about?
chowce5382
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You said “getting rid of LTNs - no mention of this in the court case today”. I pointed out that’s it’s the appeal and so this isn’t pertinent as it’s looking at the relevant merits of a previous decision. The appeal court are looking at those merits and so the basis of the decision. I’m not sure why you think that this would be brought up unless you don’t know how the court of appeal works. This would be understandable given it’s quite technical. As I’ve said, relief is at the gift of the judge and will depend on their decision
oh ffs - that's the point. The OneLambeth group are saying "No to LTNs" & "remove road closures" which isn't what the court case is about. You're claiming they're solely focused on the needs of people with disabilities, they are demonstrably not.
chowce5382
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I was pointing to the people in the photo and said that they weren’t the motor lobby and were there as they all had a reason based on protecting those that are “vulnerable”. So the peope in the photo are there for the exact reason the court case was brought about. Unless you know them better than I do. I which case I’m happy for you to tell me their reasons for being there.
chowce5382
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Not sure why you give a fuck really. If it’s upheld you’re happy. If it’s overturned, you’re also happy as it will mean that the council is reminded that it has to operate within the confines of the law. You win either way Ed
Oh sorry - I was going by what the signs they were holding up were saying. My bad.
So you're agree this wouldn't stop LTNs. Maybe update your fundraising page then "An appeal win could influence how LTNs are implemented across London and other UK cities, and even whether the schemes are allowed to continue."
chowce5382
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I’ll feed back your concerns.
sleaterkinney
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We definitely care because it's our Council tax money being wasted.
chowce5382
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As I’ve said, if it’s overturned then it will
Mean the council don’t put themselves in a similar situation again and the save money.
Remember that Lambeth have form here and have had to pay out millions in damages. You should probably worry about those cases too.
liquidindian
Hello
Any chance of you being more specific here and the exact parallels between a case where a couple of roads are filtered and the one you're referring to?
Notice the fundraiser is still short. Hope Sofia isn’t liable for the shortfall. Do you know what happens chowce5382 ?
Think I read somewhere that they have until February 4th to raise the money
Lambeth are just spinning up the execution squads and gulags, and they’ll be right on it next week.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
You could almost make a film about this kind of stuff.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
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Raising £50k to keep the status quo…
www.theguardian.com
Londoners told to reduce physical activity on Friday due to pollution
Government advises older people and those with lung or heart issues to avoid strenuous activity altogether
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
BUT I NEED MY CAR etc etcRaising £50k to keep the status quo…
Londoners told to reduce physical activity on Friday due to pollution
Government advises older people and those with lung or heart issues to avoid strenuous activity altogether
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
It's great to see these people coming together with a common purpose to improve conditions for the vulnerable. There have been lots of OneLambeth complaints, and mention in the court, that not enough groups representing people with disabilities were consulted ahead of the implementation of the LTNs. I guess the reality will show over time - whether these individuals will now be volunteering with one or more of the existing groups, or forming a new local body to lobby the council for a range of improvements to the area to benefit people with disabilities. Or whether their only interest and concern is over LTNs and their freedom to drive everywhere by the shortest route. That the banners they're holding up seem unrelated to the case doesn't seem a good sign.
The original OneLambeth morphed into a general 'anti-council' / referendum on committee council campaign and seems to have dropped any concern about LTNs, traffic or pollution at all. Their new twitter account is languishing on just 122 followers and their petition seems to have barely moved in months - it's still under 700 when I think they need something like 15000. Maybe theres a big push coming over the 3 remaining months.
Are the remaining OneLambeth planning to run any candidates for the council elections? Putting up some single issue councillor candidates would seem a clear way of showing the degree of opposition to the current council Transport Strategy. The official Twitter account keeps posting 'vote them out in May' messages - so is anyone running? While Tim Briggs has done a lot to court attention he's in a ward that doesn't have an LTN (though of course he wants to deliver one there for his residents who are plagued by rat running to shortcut between the A205 and A3) and from what I've seen OneLambeths supporters largely claim to be Labour supporters so seems a big ask to get them to vote for a Conservative candidate (especially given the current performance the Government)
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