Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
The idea with LTNs is that some drivers will decide not to drive so that overall there will be fewer drivers. The evidence that this is happening is looking good.
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Johnythefox
New Member
But surely i would be polluting the planet less if i was home much sooner with my engine off
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
There is a third option.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
And so would everyone else, which is why we have the problem. There is a world more than you. Start thinking about it.
Johnythefox
New Member
I am out on the roads all day long and find it so hard to judge. Obviously people working from home has had a huge effect on our habits. And covid has meant so much more shopping on line ( delivered to people's doors - rather than the better option of a hub) League tables mean that parents are driving their children miles to school to better their education - no school buses and very few walking / taking public transport. I think the reason why vehicles are on the road needs to be looked at.
Anyway i only came on here to express my feeling that signing and lack of road level alerts mean first time offenders are used as a cash cow for councils low on cash
Johnythefox
New Member
Go on
We need fewer car journeys to decrease pollution. LTNs aim to do that and the evidence shows that they do.
Johnythefox
New Member
As far as I know LTN's have been implemented all across London during Covid.
I am a professional driver and I cannot underestimate how big an effect Covid has had on people's driving patterns. So how reliable evidence can be gathered during this time does seem implausible
Johnythefox
New Member
Either you have misunderstood my point - or I am not getting yours
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
You think you are better off by finding rat runs. So does everyone else. So the rat runs - residential streets - become clogged up and unsafe for those who live there. Doing what’s best for you isn’t what’s best for everyone.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Is your place of work outside of London? There are few places in London where there is no public transprort nearby.
Johnythefox
New Member
Look I was only using that term as it was quoted to me. I agree that the overall problem is lessening car use. I can only speak from personal perspective. I walk and cycle as much as possible and only use the car to got to work as there is no public transport nearby and I start as early as 4am and finish as late as 2am. I believe there is a lot of unnecessary traffic (school runs parcel delivery etc) out there that needs to be addressed
Johnythefox
New Member
It is on an industrial estate and my earliest start is at 4am and my latest finish is at 2am
teuchter
je suis teuchter
You are getting stuck in traffic driving across London at 2 or 4am?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
To be fair this is entirely possible
Johnythefox
New Member
Sorry I didn't explain fully - if I start at 4am I will finish in the afternoon and if i finish at 2am I will start in the afternoon. Either option I cannot manage without a car at these times
Surely the traffic "caused by the LTNs" isn't causing huge congestion in the middle of the night?
Johnythefox
New Member
To be fair this is entirely possible
Sorry I didn't explain fully - if I start at 4am I will finish in the afternoon and if i finish at 2am I will start in the afternoon. Either option I cannot manage without a car at these times
editor
hiraethified
Feedback invited for the Streatham LTN
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liquidindian
Hello
Sure. But you need to stop thinking about what you do, and think more about what everyone does.
You're slightly inconvenienced, and if what you say is correct and you are making necessary car journeys, then yes you will be driving a little further.
But this is more than offset by the choices made by other people.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
While it seems counter intuitive, if you’re already rat running then it makes little difference, but Google maps and Waze nearly always show the LTNs very soon after they go in, so using a sat nav (while still not following it blindly past signs) will help you avoid future fines.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
I see the monitoring for Tulse Hill LTN has been published now -
and it looks like the Onesies claims about increased traffic on Brixton Hill are simply false - it's actually fallen. And Tulse Hill seems basically unaffected.
Traffic is up on the South Circular but it seems to be up on the south circular in places nowhere near LTNs, and even there the increase is not exactly changing the nature of the road - a very busy road is a bit busier.
and it looks like the Onesies claims about increased traffic on Brixton Hill are simply false - it's actually fallen. And Tulse Hill seems basically unaffected.
Traffic is up on the South Circular but it seems to be up on the south circular in places nowhere near LTNs, and even there the increase is not exactly changing the nature of the road - a very busy road is a bit busier.
snowy_again
Slush
For those interested, OLJ are now retweeting a film of a bloke telling The Mayors People’s Question Time that covid is all a hoax and that vaccines are killing children. And that Khan was voted in through “artificial intelligence” and is unelected.
Also a film of Piers Corbyn protesting ULEZ by storming some sort of office drinks party.
Totally normal.
Also a film of Piers Corbyn protesting ULEZ by storming some sort of office drinks party.
Totally normal.
Absolutely batshit crazy. Anyone associated with these people really needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
editor
hiraethified
Tulse Hill LTN consultation
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Have your say on the Tulse Hill Low Traffic Neighbourhood (LTN)
Lambeth Council are asking people who live, work and travel in the trial low traffic neighbourhood (LTN) at Tulse Hill to share their views by doing a survey. This is because the council are consid…
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DJWrongspeed
radio eros
Have just completed the Tulse Hill survey. Thought the questions were a bit directed to agreeing with the scheme. I'd favour some tweaks and exemptions for disabled badge holders. Essentially I agree if some compromises could be achieved would be the way forward.
OneLambeth have been delivering "object" leaflets in our area.
OneLambeth have been delivering "object" leaflets in our area.
Here’s the slightly deranged OneLambeth leaflet.
There’s a supporting leaflet going out as well.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
So, selectively pick the roads to list an only include the ones that show an increase. Leave off at the actual total number which is kind of important in judging whether an increase is really significant. And for Brixton Hill it looks like they've just made up some numbers because the published ones don't fit their narrative?
liquidindian
Hello
You should make sure the council gets a copy of that. Misleading leaflets delivered to every door should be factored into the consultation response.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
Like emergency services never got stuck on main roads before 
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