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hiraethified
Anti-LTN protest on Sunday LTN Day of Action in Leigham Court Road, Streatham, 1pm, 5th Dec 2021
Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
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liquidindian
Hello
It's the opposite for me. I'm not experienced at all and the Railton LTN and relative quietness of Rosedale Road makes my commute possible. I get off and cross as a pedestrian at Loughborough Junction rather than turn right. CS6 and 7 make up a lot of the rest of my journey.
I don't drive, though, and I wonder if there's a barrier in being used to certain routes as a driver and thinking that's the way to go, and then thinking no way is that safe on a bike. (I'm happy to be told I'm wrong about this, it's a guess)
Ol Nick
beer in Brixton
I get onto the road alongside the park and go straight across the OKR (as I call it) to the Quietway. Otherwise it’s horrible.
(ETA I didn’t read everyone else’s replies but at least we agree. Even to the extent of calling it the OKR)
Yep - I think it’s because drivers can’t just say the real reason why they’re against them and have to pretend they care a jot about others.
“These LTNs are forcing me to pollute the poor people on main roads more as I now have to travel slightly further”
snowy_again
Slush
OLJ are now retweeting this and lines that LTNs and the active travel sector are ‘large scale corruption’
Here's the hi-res version. Someone's obviously taken ages to put together and has a good understanding - but really wtf is their point? It's nutcase shit.
BigTom
Well-Known Member
I just don't even understand what they are trying to do with that graphic. Like it's corruption that people who work for the council work for the council? Cos that's what most lines seem to be, from the organisation to an employee. idk if there's a better quality/higher res one anywhere but I'm curious what the black rectangle logo is that Karen Creavin connects to (I work for the the active wellbeing society, she is the ceo, top left quadrant, straight down from the h of neighbourhoods).
Otherwise it's like, what, a diagram of people who advocate for cycling and walking infrastructure and people on councils/central govt who implement them? So what?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
BigTom
Well-Known Member
ah yeah, that's it, thank you
snowy_again
Slush
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
I just love that the anonymous accounts posting this up and throwing around accusations of corruption, extremism, evil network etc feel the need to add “Disclaimer: This tweet is 'in the public interest' and all information is available in the public domain.”. I mean....
I just don't even understand what they are trying to do with that graphic. Like it's corruption that people who work for the council work for the council? Cos that's what most lines seem to be, from the organisation to an employee. idk if there's a better quality/higher res one anywhere but I'm curious what the black rectangle logo is that Karen Creavin connects to (I work for the the active wellbeing society, she is the ceo, top left quadrant, straight down from the h of neighbourhoods).
Otherwise it's like, what, a diagram of people who advocate for cycling and walking infrastructure and people on councils/central govt who implement them? So what?
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hiraethified
Are they actually interested in “clean air for all” or do they just want to get rid of the LTNs?
Monitoring says traffic is up by 25% on LCR road high bad but hardly seismic as the article says. ULEZ helps with pollution levels even outside the area but traffic calming measures or more restrictions on LCR would be good. Who’s up for a bus gate?
editor
hiraethified
To be fair, a 25% increase is pretty hefty.
Hefty but not seismic.
We all want clean air for all - let’s hear the solutions on how we get there.
thebackrow
Considerably more Brixton.
There used to be a Department for Transport count point on Leigham Court Road, almost exactly where the Lambeth counter was. (Road traffic statistics - Manual count point: 930320)
So traffic volume now is actually just back to what it was in 2005. It looks very much like this is a prime example of how rat running has increased over the last 20 years as people used first satnav and then their phones. And since emission standards have got a lot tighter over that time pollution levels should be a lot lower.
That's not to say there shouldn't be efforts to reduce it, and traffic volumes, further.
So traffic volume now is actually just back to what it was in 2005. It looks very much like this is a prime example of how rat running has increased over the last 20 years as people used first satnav and then their phones. And since emission standards have got a lot tighter over that time pollution levels should be a lot lower.
That's not to say there shouldn't be efforts to reduce it, and traffic volumes, further.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
It's also 25% of a big number.
Lambeth is powerless at enforcing this 20mph limit thing, I don't know what the solution is though.
Hearing about the guy getting hit by a car mounting the pavement is scary.
There's no proper pedestrian crossing by the (Dunraven) school either which doesn't help.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Yes, is there a reason why LCR is not removed as a cut through route - it doesn't appear to be an A road and I assume it's used by people trying to avoid Streatham centre or Tulse Hill?
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
I think it's important for the Streatham Hill LTN to be accessible from more than just the A23, therefore it forms an important "boundary road"?
The problem with LTNs in central London in general is that lots of people/schools/businesses are based on the so called main roads.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
IIRC Leigham court road is classified by Lambeth as a local distributor road, so it needs to be without restrictions. I do feel sorry for residents, the side streets have effectively been removing traffic from this road for years and having got used to that, it is horrible having it back where it's designed to be.
We need more than just LTNs to tackle the problem of too much traffic.
We need more than just LTNs to tackle the problem of too much traffic.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
Yes absolutely. I did some speed checks on leigham court road about 6 months ago with the police and got 11 speeders in 20 mins.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I've done this quite a few times in Loughborough Junction and we regularly and reliably get 20-30 speeders per hour in each direction. It's pretty hard to get them to come and do an actual enforcement though ... or to get them to come out later at night when the number of cars is smaller but the speeding is more extreme.Yes absolutely. I did some speed checks on leigham court road about 6 months ago with the police and got 11 speeders in 20 mins.
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