PTK
Paul Kegan
I am not denying that ISIS committed genocide and crimes against humanity. The Home Secretary has not claimed that she was complicit in these crimes. Every member of the German Nazi Party was not deemed to be guilty of genocide.
British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'
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Starry Wisdom
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
I'd agree that she is probably no better than a Nazi. But much as I'm all for nazis getting a kicking, I'd rather we didn't just shug at the government being the ones doing the actual kicking.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Before we deal with this rubbish, can we at least agree that you've been spouting arrant bollocks regarding the legal situation here. Also, with your assertion that the UK is acting uniquely in the case of SB, and regarding people with Jewish grandmothers potential to be stripped of their citizenships?
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Plastic Paddy
Fair enough.
I couldn't give a fuck if the government kicks the shit out of nazis and jihadis.
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Starry Wisdom
so you think begum deserves to have the shit kicked out of her by hmg. is that in addition to or instead of the withdrawal of her citizenship?
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Plastic Paddy
Nice try.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
think you’ve sold this one short, a more effective troll would have been “in a junior ministerial position”
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
As I read the original post, I assumed something like that would follow. Spy never fails to disappoint.
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Plastic Paddy
You should've PMd me that and I'd have edited.
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Starry Wisdom
it would be good if labour decided to install people with some lived experience outside the westminster bubble in their front bench team
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Starry Wisdom
as we all know what really cost the labour party dear was shammer's shitty europe policy in the 'let's get brexit done' election, their insistence on announcing a new policy every day instead of focussing on a few key themes, and the way the plp colluded with the tories and the right-wing press in doing corbyn down at every turn.
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Plastic Paddy
Well there's that too but I think it's hard to argue against the likelihood that had Jezza not been such a massive wanker with regards to Begum, and Islamofacism in general, Labour may well have picked up a few more marginals.
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Starry Wisdom
i think it's hard to argue that particular likelihood as you are. but have a like for trying to do it anyway
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Starry Wisdom
that's not a nice way to treat spy
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Spymaster or someone who did something stupid when she was a child?
Anyway, I agree with Jacob Rees Mogg as well as Peter Hitchen.
Wonderful to be lectured on social class by Lord Snooty.
But funny that Pickman’s is now agreeing with a Conservative MP.
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Plastic Paddy
There you go littlebabyjesus.
This is the kind of company you're keeping.
But at least JRM seems to have understood the role of the courts.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Him too, eh. We are legion.
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Starry Wisdom
i think you'll find it's the other way round, being as i expressed my view long before shitty mcshitface shared his beliefs in the spectator
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Plastic Paddy
Completely agree, but now I'm wondering which other policies you've advised him on.
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Starry Wisdom
Let's put it this way, don't be surprised if his investments tank over the next couple of years
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Plastic Paddy
Well, legally speaking, that's simply not the case any more.
Under British law returning jihadis have only been prosecuted for crimes they have committed in the UK.
One that springs immediately to mind is the fella that spent 2 years in ISIL in Syria, got back to the UK under his own steam and got done for his continued financial assistance and firearms offences committed here. Not the rape and murder of children that we now know was pretty standard fare during his time as "an accountant" there.
He got 8 years and will likely serve 4.
In my opinion that's not justice. It absolves him of everything he was involved in, in Iraq and Syria. IIRC the presiding judge even commented on the fact that he couldn't sentence this piece of shit for other alleged crimes. Two of his mates are now doing life without parole in ADX Florence, for their part in the execution, by public burning-alive, of a young Jordanian pilot. By contrast, you or your children could be sitting next to this bastard the next time you catch a bus into town.
The cases of returning ISIL brides being prosecuted by their European home nations (that I'm aware of) are in Germany, where one woman got 10 years for aiding and abetting the rape and murder of a 5 year old Yazidi girl. Another got 5 years for her part in ignoring/abetting the systematic rape, and active participation in the brutal beatings of an ISIS sex slave.
FIVE FUCKING YEARS! .... She’ll likely do 2 or 3.
Forgive me for not sharing your confidence in European justice apropos the ISIS reign of terror across The Caliphate.
To my mind it's hard to imagine a clearer case against repatriating people who've joined an organisation that has sworn to kill your children and raped their way across two sovereign states.
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Rees-Mogg's investment management firm to shut
The company, which also counts the investment minister Lord Johnson among its co-founders, says it is in advanced talks to transfer its UK funds to another team.
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Plastic Paddy
Rees-Mogg's investment management firm to shut
The company, which also counts the investment minister Lord Johnson among its co-founders, says it is in advanced talks to transfer its UK funds to another team.news.sky.com
I reckon Pickman's has converted him.
He'll be on here soon, banging on about class war and what a bunch of arseholes Brewdog are.
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