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British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

You're just making stuff up, like Serge. There was nothing secret about Begum's citizenship removal. It happened very publicly.



The fact that she had travelled 2000 miles to join the most disgustingly murderous organisation on the planet, spent 5 years with them, married one of their murderers, and gave defiant interviews when captured, might have tipped him the wink. Even her own father said she hadn't shown remorse!



If you have any doubt that IS committed war crimes and genocide then you are an idiot. The evidence that she was complicit is in her own words and actions. She should be tried in the countries where those crimes are alleged to have been committed. Iraq or Syria. France has the right idea here. That may yet happen with Begum eventually if her captors deem her legal challenges against the UKG to be exhausted.
I am not denying that ISIS committed genocide and crimes against humanity. The Home Secretary has not claimed that she was complicit in these crimes. Every member of the German Nazi Party was not deemed to be guilty of genocide.
 
I am not denying that ISIS committed genocide and crimes against humanity. The Home Secretary has not claimed that she was complicit in these crimes. Every member of the German Nazi Party was not deemed to be guilty of genocide.
indeed many of them achieved success in west germany, eg the former ss officer hanns martin schleyer
 
I'm not cheering them either. I just recognise that there's a process whereby citizenship can be revoked; that it's happened here within the law; that if it happened to a nazi I'd be ok with it, and that I consider Begum to be no better than a nazi.
I'd agree that she is probably no better than a Nazi. But much as I'm all for nazis getting a kicking, I'd rather we didn't just shug at the government being the ones doing the actual kicking.
 
I am not denying that ISIS committed genocide and crimes against humanity. The Home Secretary has not claimed that she was complicit in these crimes. Every member of the German Nazi Party was not deemed to be guilty of genocide.

Before we deal with this rubbish, can we at least agree that you've been spouting arrant bollocks regarding the legal situation here. Also, with your assertion that the UK is acting uniquely in the case of SB, and regarding people with Jewish grandmothers potential to be stripped of their citizenships?
 
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I'd agree that she is probably no better than a Nazi. But much as I'm all for nazis getting a kicking, I'd rather we didn't just shug at the government being the ones doing the actual kicking.

Fair enough.

I couldn't give a fuck if the government kicks the shit out of nazis and jihadis.
 
It's a good point though. JC's stance on Begum, almost certainly cost him a few points in the GE.
as we all know what really cost the labour party dear was shammer's shitty europe policy in the 'let's get brexit done' election, their insistence on announcing a new policy every day instead of focussing on a few key themes, and the way the plp colluded with the tories and the right-wing press in doing corbyn down at every turn.
 
as we all know what really cost the labour party dear was shammer's shitty europe policy in the 'let's get brexit done' election, their insistence on announcing a new policy every day instead of focussing on a few key themes, and the way the plp colluded with the tories and the right-wing press in doing corbyn down at every turn.

Well there's that too but I think it's hard to argue against the likelihood that had Jezza not been such a massive wanker with regards to Begum, and Islamofacism in general, Labour may well have picked up a few more marginals.
 
Well there's that too but I think it's hard to argue against the likelihood that had Jezza not been such a massive wanker with regards to Begum, and Islamofacism in general, Labour may well have picked up a few more marginals.
i think it's hard to argue that particular likelihood as you are. but have a like for trying to do it anyway
 
She is our problem, we should deal with her.

Well, legally speaking, that's simply not the case any more.

Under British law returning jihadis have only been prosecuted for crimes they have committed in the UK.

One that springs immediately to mind is the fella that spent 2 years in ISIL in Syria, got back to the UK under his own steam and got done for his continued financial assistance and firearms offences committed here. Not the rape and murder of children that we now know was pretty standard fare during his time as "an accountant" there.

He got 8 years and will likely serve 4.

In my opinion that's not justice. It absolves him of everything he was involved in, in Iraq and Syria. IIRC the presiding judge even commented on the fact that he couldn't sentence this piece of shit for other alleged crimes. Two of his mates are now doing life without parole in ADX Florence, for their part in the execution, by public burning-alive, of a young Jordanian pilot. By contrast, you or your children could be sitting next to this bastard the next time you catch a bus into town.

The cases of returning ISIL brides being prosecuted by their European home nations (that I'm aware of) are in Germany, where one woman got 10 years for aiding and abetting the rape and murder of a 5 year old Yazidi girl. Another got 5 years for her part in ignoring/abetting the systematic rape, and active participation in the brutal beatings of an ISIS sex slave.

FIVE FUCKING YEARS! .... She’ll likely do 2 or 3.

Forgive me for not sharing your confidence in European justice apropos the ISIS reign of terror across The Caliphate.

To my mind it's hard to imagine a clearer case against repatriating people who've joined an organisation that has sworn to kill your children and raped their way across two sovereign states.
 
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