British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[Pickman's model]

I reckon Pickman's has converted him.

He'll be on here soon, banging on about class war and what a bunch of arseholes Brewdog are.

he's been banging on about class war for a long time now. and if anyone will have converted him about brewdog it'll have been the eloquent exposition of editor's arguments, not my few contributions on that thread. or maybe he just likes beer, and not the slop brewdog sell

 

[Spymaster]

... the eloquent exposition of editor's arguments ...

 

[Pickman's model]

Thought that'd make you laugh

 

[Pickman's model]

No shit, sherlock Israel is deliberately starving Palestinians, UN rights expert says

 

[littlebabyjesus]

There you go littlebabyjesus.

This is the kind of company you're keeping.

But at least JRM seems to have understood the role of the courts.

Enoch Powell supported unilateral nuclear disarmament.

* shrug *

 

[PTK]

If Jeremy Corbyn had won the election, then there would be no more port pies in the shops or beer in the pubs, and Sunday would be a normal day of the week.

I pleases to see that Rees Mogg agrees that there should be only one class of Uk citizen.

 

[Pickman's model]

If Jeremy Corbyn had won the election, then there would be no more port pies in the shops or beer in the pubs, and Sunday would be a normal day of the week.

I pleases to see that Rees Mogg agrees that there should be only one class of Uk citizen.

there aren't any port pies in the shop anyway

 

[PTK]

there aren't any port pies in the shop anyway

Why are there no port pies? Because of tcultural Marxist wokeness gone mad.

 

[Pickman's model]

Spymaster if as may well be the case this goes to the echr and hmg lose, will you still be on about how all this was legal and above board?

 

[Spymaster]

Spymaster if as may well be the case this goes to the echr and hmg lose, will you still be on about how all this was legal and above board?

We’d have to see the grounds of the appeal and understand what the ECHR can rule on.

There’s no doubt that it was legal under British law.

 

[brogdale]

There’s no doubt that it was legal under British law.

Pending any further appeal to the Supreme Court, that may be the status of the action atm. But, if the EC(ourt)HR found in favour of Begum, that would mean that the UK state had acted unlawfully as the provisions of the Convention were incorporated into UK law under the 1998 HR Act.

 

[Spymaster]

Pending any further appeal to the Supreme Court, that may be the status of the action atm. But, if the EC(ourt)HR found in favour of Begum, that would mean that the UK state had acted unlawfully as the provisions of the Convention were incorporated into UK law under the 1998 HR Act.

That's what would need to be considered. So far the process through the UK courts has been about whether Javid acted unlawfully under UK law. Did he de jure make her stateless? Several courts and hearings have said he didn't. Whether or not he did de facto could be another matter but that's outside the remit of the UK system. I'd expect that Begum's lawyers will be asking the ECHR to rule on whether or not she was de facto made stateless by Javid's decision, the legal implications of that if she was, and did it breach her human rights.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's what would need to be considered. So far the process through the UK courts has been about whether Javid acted unlawfully under UK law. Did he de jure make her stateless? Several courts and hearings have said he didn't. Whether or not he did de facto could be another matter but that's outside the remit of the UK system. I'd expect that Begum's lawyers will be asking the ECHR to rule on whether or not she was de facto made stateless by Javid's decision, the legal implications of that if she was, and did it breach her human rights.

There'll be a lot of people eating humble pie if any appeal succeeds

 

[Spymaster]

There'll be a lot of people eating humble pie if any appeal succeeds

Not by me. I've only ever argued the legality wrt the UK legal system.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Nor me, I don’t think I’ve even mentioned the legality of it.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not by me. I've only ever argued the legality wrt the UK legal system.

The echr is part of the UK legal system. Otherwise it'd have no jurisdiction here and there'd be no avenue for appeal from UK sc

 

[Pickman's model]

Nor me, I don’t think I’ve even mentioned the legality of it

I'm glad you piped up, I'd forgotten your contribution to this thread

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I'm glad you piped up, I'd forgotten your contribution to this thread

I’m sure you and others will be filled with glee if the cogs of justice lead to the return of members of the fascist rape cult.

 

[Pickman's model]

I’m sure you and others will be filled with glee if the cogs of justice lead to the return of members of the fascist rape cult.

If you'd read this thread you'd know many men who fought for daesh had returned to these shores and not faced withdrawal of british nationality.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

If you'd read this thread you'd know many men who fought for daesh had returned to these shores and not faced withdrawal of british nationality.

The same could have happened to Begum had she managed to repatriate herself instead of ending up in a Kurdish camp.

 

[Spymaster]

The echr is part of the UK legal system. Otherwise it'd have no jurisdiction here and there'd be no avenue for appeal from UK sc

The UK is obliged to uphold EU and International law. As I said before, I don't know what that is with regards to de facto/de jure statelessness. It's clear from multiple rulings now that none of the UK courts believed they were obliged to consider anything other than the word of the law. If the ECHR rules that that was incorrect, so be it.

 

[Spymaster]

If you'd read this thread you'd know many men who fought for daesh had returned to these shores and not faced withdrawal of british nationality.

Which of them held dual nationality?

We know of at least 1 white former Englishman who most certainly had his British citizenship revoked.

 

[Pickman's model]

Spymaster you know I esteem you and Magnus McGinty which makes it such a pity to see the trajectory you've both decided to pursue on this issue

 

[Spymaster]

Spymaster you know I esteem you and Magnus McGinty which makes it such a pity to see the trajectory you've both decided to pursue on this issue

I applaud your estimation of me. It shows an intelligence and discernment that more should seek to emulate.

I'd urge you to reconsider in the case of Magnus though.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Spymaster you know I esteem you and Magnus McGinty which makes it such a pity to see the trajectory you've both decided to pursue on this issue

I’m enthused that at least one poster doesn’t always think terribly of me, even if I’m pegged alongside Spymaster.

 

[Ax^]

up the arse thread that way ----------->

 

[Pickman's model]

I’m enthused that at least one poster doesn’t always think terribly of me, even if I’m pegged alongside Spymaster.

I didn't know you (or he) engaged in that practice

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

This'll please the far right rioters...

Shamima Begum loses final UK court bid over citizenship

The 24-year-old will not be allowed to challenge the removal of her British citizenship at the Supreme Court.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[barlimo]

Vindictive ruling.

 

[Spymaster]

This'll please the far right rioters...

Shamima Begum loses final UK court bid over citizenship

The 24-year-old will not be allowed to challenge the removal of her British citizenship at the Supreme Court.

www.bbc.co.uk

This was always going to happen, precisely as I said in post #6492 above.