Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
tbh if it was 50 bottles it'd be a different thing, wander round shoreditch for a weekend and you'd likely find enough to get a minor seat on the board
BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff
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hiraethified
Who'd want to wander around Shoreditch on a weekend? And more to the point: who'd want any kind of ongoing involvement with the cunts at Brewdog?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
People who liked their overhopped beer and share their faux rebel vision
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Of whom there are many thousands judging by the company’s overwhelming achievement in a highly competitive sector. To even get people who think you’re “cunts” contributing to your success takes some doing!
They may be cunts but they are London Living Wage paying cunts.
Unlike a lot of pubs in Brixton!
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hiraethified
Sorry, what has Brixton got to do with this?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Indeed. People who criticise Brewdog et al but lionise the smaller pub scene in places like Brixton would do well to bear this in mind if they were ever tempted to spout guff on the internet.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
I'm sorry but any group of people who can coin the phrase 'equity for punks' are cunts
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Or members of a section of the acting union
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Same same
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
They're also turning beer into vodka.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
I mean come on. You can admire their business strategy if you want, you can concede they are highly successful, and you can recognise that a factor in that is their contrived corporate edgyness being an irritant to many. But spymaster you cannot deny they are cunts.
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Plastic Paddy
I dunno. You'd have to define what it is about them that you think makes them cunts. Chances are it's part of what makes them one of the most popular and successful brewing groups in the country so it's subjective isn't it?
Proper Tidy
Arsed
No, they are objectively cunts. It's measurable. It's just there is a lot of cunts out there.
Also they got into the dickhead can game early doors and now they sell brewdog everywhere.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
In what way?
Proper Tidy
Arsed
From here to the ceiling
T & P
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They might be cunts or at least annoying, cynical twats in many people’s books, but IMO not nearly enough so to get one’s blood pressure up on their account. Certainly as far as businesses are concerned.
Companies paying shit wages, treating their employees like slaves, investing in unethical ventures/ countries/ industries, or engaging in elaborate tax dodging schemes that deprive this country of vital tax revenue, should be a million times more objectionable than companies engaging in cynical PR campaigns to improve their image. That doesn’t mean the likes of Brewdog should be free of criticism, but I myself would rather save my anger and vitriol for more worthy targets.
Amazon doesn’t do silly PR stunts or try to shamelessly appropriate cultures to make itself look cool, and their adverts don’t usually make people think ‘what a bunch of fake bandwagon jumping cunts’. Yet their actions, from their disgraceful tax avoidance schemes to their employee welfare to their snooping practices are about trillion times more abominable than anything a shouty business like Brewdog has ever done. And to our shame many of us are Amazon customers whether occasional or regulars, and will overlook such behaviour.
Companies paying shit wages, treating their employees like slaves, investing in unethical ventures/ countries/ industries, or engaging in elaborate tax dodging schemes that deprive this country of vital tax revenue, should be a million times more objectionable than companies engaging in cynical PR campaigns to improve their image. That doesn’t mean the likes of Brewdog should be free of criticism, but I myself would rather save my anger and vitriol for more worthy targets.
Amazon doesn’t do silly PR stunts or try to shamelessly appropriate cultures to make itself look cool, and their adverts don’t usually make people think ‘what a bunch of fake bandwagon jumping cunts’. Yet their actions, from their disgraceful tax avoidance schemes to their employee welfare to their snooping practices are about trillion times more abominable than anything a shouty business like Brewdog has ever done. And to our shame many of us are Amazon customers whether occasional or regulars, and will overlook such behaviour.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
A former employee took them to tribunal because they refused him reasonable adjustments to his work environment for his blindness. They might pay living wage but they're not the bastions of corporate good you're claiming.
If mistreating a disabled employer isn't the mark of a cunt I don't know what is.
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Plastic Paddy
This was addressed earlier in this thread and found to be not quite the way that you present it, iirc.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I think you'll find it was. The employee didn't win for no reason.
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Plastic Paddy
I'm not so sure. As I recall the discussion petered out when you failed to provide specific links to support your assertions at #1246.
We can revisit it if you like though?
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hiraethified
Pointing out a more successful set of cunts doesn't stop Brewdog being total fucking cunts, and for some folk, to have them cash in shamelessly on the reputation of punk - and try to sue little fish on the way - marks them out as an extra-special type of cunt. Plus they're pathetic sexist twats as well.
Oh, look. Let's have some millionaires pretending to be beggars in the streets and then let's see them pretend to be sex workers. Utter fucking cunts.
This 'Transphobic' BrewDog Beer Advert Sparks Petition Calling For Removal
This 'Transphobic' BrewDog Beer Advert Sparks Petition Calling For Removal
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Look, I'm not doing your internet research for you, as I pointed out last time.
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Plastic Paddy
That was just a cop-out though. If memory serves you were trying to leverage a split tribunal decision, in what was a difficult case where sympathy was expressed for Brewdog’s position, into a much broader 'shit employer' play, which you were unable to evidence because it was demonstrable nonsense. As you're doing here.
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Absolutely, let’s try to get to a definitive definition of who or what is a cunt.
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I never said they were any good at all- quite the contrary. I simply argued that in the grand scheme of things their cuntiness level is undoubtedly orders of magnitude lower than countless other companies out there, from certain supermarket chains to certain train operating companies, fast food multinationals or soft drink manufacturers to name but a few.
If Brewdog annoys people enough to keep a regular watch on their every activity and campaign and report it in a dedicated thread, fair enough. All I’m saying is that I myself would save my efforts for companies engaging in far more abominable or damaging behaviour than what Brewdog has ever done.
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hiraethified
You could start with millionaires who take the piss out of homeless people and sex workers in the name of self promotion for their multi million company.
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hiraethified
They're not mutually exclusive activities.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You have to remember that certain companies get on certain people's shit lists when those people have their own agendas to pursue. It's not set in stone though. As we've seen recently, companies can go from "bunch of wankers" to thread-postingly super within months if they produce a product that takes one's fancy. Past transgressions are instantly forgiven, so there's hope for Brewdog yet!
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