ElizabethofYork
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BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff
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Despite the way he attempts to conflate matters James Watt's court case does not relate to anything said by the ex-BrewDog staff in Punks with Purpose, or the BBC documentary that followed. It's about an ex-girlfriend of his that he paid to spy on ex-BrewDog staff.
JimW
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I was going to joke that the smear campaign will have been something he dreamed up to discredit those with a genuine grievance but sounds it's not far from the truth.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I think the court case has a lot to do with the accusations made against him.
"BrewDog chief executive James Watt has revealed the “considerable distress and anxiety” he suffered during an online smear campaign which also saw him scammed out of £100,000.
Lord Brailsford ruled in his favour at Edinburgh’s Court of Session and ordered Emili Ziem to repay him the money, plus more than £500,000 in expenses.
The judge stated that she conducted a scam which set up fake social media pages to spread damaging online rumours about the brewery boss.
Ziem then conned him into paying £25,000 a time to unmask the ‘trolls’.
They first made contact in 2020 on Instagram and met on several occasions. In May 2021, many of Watt’s Instagram friends received direct messages about him from an account under the name Laura Keller, stating that he had “misled” women.
Some of the allegations accused him of criminality which he denied in court.
In a post on LinkedIn, Watt explained: “Ziem said she could help me identify the people responsible for spreading false and malicious lies about me via troll accounts and asked for payment to do so - I was desperate to stop this horrific abuse, so I paid up.
“What we now know, and the court has found, is that she was actually one of the perpetrators and was operating an extremely active troll account against me as part of a dedicated network looking to ‘take James down’ (her words).
“She gave me knowingly false information with the sole intention of deceiving me into agreeing to pay her - she was, in fact, a key part of a network involved in a campaign to do as much damage to me and my business as possible, spreading false and defamatory information with the objective of destroying me personally and damaging our business.“
After paying her four times, Watt grew suspicious and hired a cyber private detective who exposed Ziem as being behind the accounts.
BrewDog boss wins case against online troll scammer
A judge at the Court of Session ruled in his favour and has ordered the repayment of more than £500,000 in expenses
editor
hiraethified
They're SEPERATE THINGS, FFS.
Unless you have any proof that ALL the women in the BBC documentary/Punks with Purpose were lying as part of a smear campaign you are simply defending someone who made a habit of intimidating and harassing young women.
So exactly where do you stand on this matter?
Yes, more on James Watt suing his own spy here: Conspiracy Weary — BrewDog CEO Files Fraud Lawsuit Against Woman He Paid for Information (Update: 9/29/22) — Good Beer Hunting
editor
hiraethified
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I think the court case has a lot to do with the accusations made against him.
"BrewDog chief executive James Watt has revealed the “considerable distress and anxiety” he suffered during an online smear campaign which also saw him scammed out of £100,000.
Lord Brailsford ruled in his favour at Edinburgh’s Court of Session and ordered Emili Ziem to repay him the money, plus more than £500,000 in expenses.
The judge stated that she conducted a scam which set up fake social media pages to spread damaging online rumours about the brewery boss.
Ziem then conned him into paying £25,000 a time to unmask the ‘trolls’.
They first made contact in 2020 on Instagram and met on several occasions. In May 2021, many of Watt’s Instagram friends received direct messages about him from an account under the name Laura Keller, stating that he had “misled” women.
Some of the allegations accused him of criminality which he denied in court.
In a post on LinkedIn, Watt explained: “Ziem said she could help me identify the people responsible for spreading false and malicious lies about me via troll accounts and asked for payment to do so - I was desperate to stop this horrific abuse, so I paid up.
“What we now know, and the court has found, is that she was actually one of the perpetrators and was operating an extremely active troll account against me as part of a dedicated network looking to ‘take James down’ (her words).
“She gave me knowingly false information with the sole intention of deceiving me into agreeing to pay her - she was, in fact, a key part of a network involved in a campaign to do as much damage to me and my business as possible, spreading false and defamatory information with the objective of destroying me personally and damaging our business.“
After paying her four times, Watt grew suspicious and hired a cyber private detective who exposed Ziem as being behind the accounts.
BrewDog boss wins case against online troll scammer
A judge at the Court of Session ruled in his favour and has ordered the repayment of more than £500,000 in expenseswww.insider.co.uk
You're going to find your opponents getting themselves into vituperative states, given that their arguments are now holed beneath the waterline.
Unfortunate, but by no means unexpected.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
The Scottish court’s finding in Watt’s favor bolsters his long-standing claims of a conspiracy committed against him. However, this case against Ziem appears to be largely unrelated to some former BrewDog workers’ criticism of BrewDog as an intimidating, hostile, and misogynistic work environment. (Ziem has never been employed by BrewDog.)
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I haven't "blindly defended Watt". Unless you can prove otherwise? I've simply not gone along with the prevailing pile-on, because I could see that there was something dodgy going on under the surface.
Don't feel bad - you weren't the only one who got it wrong.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Exactly. It speaks to the general credibility of all of the allegations. Some had merit. He admitted as much. But it bolsters his own complaints that many allegations are unfair and coordinated attacks born of malice, like those on this thread.
How does suing his own spy do that?
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
The judge stated that she conducted a scam which set up fake social media pages to spread damaging online rumours about the brewery boss.
Ziem then conned him into paying £25,000 a time to unmask the ‘trolls’.
So we're clear that it's nothing to do with what the BrewDog staff have said.
editor
hiraethified
Either you think the women are all lying (proof, please) or you have absolutely zero grounds to defend Watt from the accusations made by multiple members of his female staff.
So which is it?
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
What do you believe? Personally, I'm not so black and white in my thinking.
It's been proved in court that there was a concerted smear campaign against him, which included claims of sexual harrassment.
editor
hiraethified
So without any evidence at all to support your assertions - literally ZERO - you're going to continue to peddle the suggestion that all the women are lying and Watt is entirely innocent.
Fucking shame on you. Because of people like you, women go through hell every year.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Fucks sake get a grip of yourself.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Therefore, some female employees of Watt allege serious things against him that it appears he's never even attempted to challenge or disprove.
That's where my focus would be in terms of the extent to which this court ruling exonerates him.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Big style.
editor
hiraethified
Do you believe the allegations made against Watt by his female employees to be true or false? And if you think they're false, what evidence are you basing that on?
editor
hiraethified
Calm down, soft lad. What evidence do you have that all of these women are lying?
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Don't be a prick.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I believe that some of the allegations were part of the concerted smear campaign. I don't know about every single one. Nor does anyone.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Remember, you are under no obligation to respond to hysterical hectoring.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
I'd leave him to his rantings if I were you. Dunno what's boiling his piss, but it's nothing to do with you.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
teuchter
je suis teuchter
This court case doesn't exonerate him of all allegations against him, agreed.
Which specific allegations are they that he hasn't attempted to challenge or disprove?
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
True, but it's a bit frustrating to be continually accused of blindly defending someone, of believing that all women are liars, and that because of people "like me", women go through hell every year.
He needs a fucking word with himself.
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