BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff

[brogdale]

I now understand that some find the word offensive. At the time I posted the pic I didn't know of this alternative meaning. However, before anyone explained that it was offensive, and why they saw it that way, I was called out on the post.

My position was, and remains, that had it been explained I might well have reacted differently. Indeed I would have apologised for causing this unintended offence. But that is not what happened.

People cannot and should not assume that because they know something everyone knows that same something.

This whole discussion would not have happened, nor would it have needed to happen, if it had been explained in the first place.

For taking this position I make no apology.

I've been called out for things in the past and the first thing I did was google it and then retract/apologise; it's not difficult or complicated.

 

[Poot]

I now understand that some find the word offensive. At the time I posted the pic I didn't know of this alternative meaning. However, before anyone explained that it was offensive, and why they saw it that way, I was called out on the post.

My position was, and remains, that had it been explained I might well have reacted differently. Indeed I would have apologised for causing this unintended offence. But that is not what happened.

People cannot and should not assume that because they know something everyone knows that same something.

This whole discussion would not have happened, nor would it have needed to happen, if it had been explained in the first place.

For taking this position I make no apology.

Women generally think of themselves as a part of a wider group. It's hurtful when you're told this isn't true, when a difference is pointed out, that's why we take offence. equationgirl is not quicker to take offence than anyone else, she's just much better at pointing it out where the rest of us are equally as hurt but don't say anything. She's also quite brave about 'taking one for the team'. Which I admire, because God knows she puts up with some shit here.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Oh, so now it’s a physically unattractive woman too.

Since when? I’ve never heard that and I’m highly intelligent, well read, and worldly wise.

It's nice to learn new things and reflect on how they can make you a better person, you say?

 

[chilango]

This whole discussion would not have happened, nor would it have needed to happen, if it had been explained in the first place.

For taking this position I make no apology.

I'm not sure you would've been interested in an explanation dessiato given as your first reaction was this:

Sounds like you’ve found a problem that exists only in your mind.

 

[dessiato]

I'm not sure you would've been interested in an explanation dessiato given as your first reaction was this:

That would be better put into context. Had the explanation come in the post you fail to quote, which was this, in its entirety:

'Growler'? Spot Brewdog's misogyny, which you're supporting. Awesome.

then yes, I’d have been interested.

 

[danny la rouge]

It's nice to learn new things and reflect on how they can make you a better person, you say?

Precisely.

One of the problems of conversations here is that things people say are on record for years to come. In an ordinary conversation, things said are gone into the ether. In such an exchange, people can adapt and modify their approach as they go along. With posts on here, though, they tend to be defended as official statements, so people do seem to find it harder to back down and move on.

For what it’s worth, I’m glad equationgirl has the strength to point things out. On this occasion, I didn’t know that growler was a type of beer jug, but I was aware of its misogynistic usages (vagina and unattractive woman). But that’s by the by. Some people knew and some people didn’t. It’s an easy matter to respond “jeez, I didn’t know that. Thanks for making me aware”. We live and learn.

Like when my daughter had to warn me that inviting someone to “Netflix and chill” did not mean an evening of TV watching, as I’d assumed.

 

[Poot]

Precisely.

One of the problems of conversations here is that things people say are on record for years to come. In an ordinary conversation, things said are gone into the ether. In such an exchange, people can adapt and modify their approach as they go along. With posts on here, though, they tend to be defended as official statements, so people do seem to find it harder to back down and move on.

For what it’s worth, I’m glad equationgirl has the strength to point things out. On this occasion, I didn’t know that growler was a type of beer jug, but I was aware of it’s misogynistic usages (vagina and unattractive woman). But that’s by the by. Some people knew and some people didn’t. It’s an easy matter to respond “jeez, I didn’t know that. Thanks for making me aware”. We live and learn.

Like when my daughter had to warn me that inviting someone to “Netflix and chill” did not mean an evening of TV watching, as I’d assumed.

Indeed. My teenage son had to have a serious chat with me about some of the emojis and how they don't mean what I think they mean even in vegetarian cookery contexts.

 

[danny la rouge]

Indeed. My teenage son had to have a serious chat with me about some of the emojis and how they don't mean what I think they mean even in vegetarian cookery contexts.

Yup, I’ve had that pointed out to me too.

 

[danny la rouge]

Language: you need to take care with it. Who knew?

 

[Spymaster]

It's nice to learn new things and reflect on how they can make you a better person, you say?

Pfft

 

[Spymaster]

Like when my daughter had to warn me that inviting someone to “Netflix and chill” did not mean an evening of TV watching, as I’d assumed.

What does it mean?

 

[chilango]

That would be better put into context. Had the explanation come in the post you fail to quote, which was this, in its entirety:


then yes, I’d have been interested.

If you say so. Your subsequent posts and likes would suggest not, rather a doubling down. But it's not too late to reflect and respond in a way that shows you in a better light. Or not. Your call really.

(I hope you'll forgive my brusqueness, I'm flipping between some rather polemical writing and here)

 

[fishfinger]

What does it mean?

Sexytimes.

 

[8ball]

Indeed. My teenage son had to have a serious chat with me about some of the emojis and how they don't mean what I think they mean even in vegetarian cookery contexts.

Did he clarify the upside down smiley?
I could never figure that one out.

 

[xenon]

Just caught up with this thread. FWIW> I've never heard of the term growler to refer to a bottle. I actually think the pejorative slang usage is more widely known in the UK. I didn't think Bo Selecter made it up either, thought it was around longer than that.

 

[Spymaster]

Sexytimes.

That at least, is potentially useful information.

Cheers.

 

[danny la rouge]

What does it mean?

Casual sex. I’d been inviting people for casual sex. I’m glad I was told.

 

[danny la rouge]

Just caught up with this thread. FWIW> I've never heard of the term growler to refer to a bottle. I actually think the pejorative slang usage is more widely known in the UK. I didn't think Bo Selecter made it up either, thought it was around longer than that.

I don’t think Bo Selecter did make it up, it’s been around years.

 

[8ball]

Casual sex. I’d been inviting people for casual sex. I’m glad I was told.

You’d have found out one way or another.
I didn’t think it was necessarily casual sex…

And now I’m a little paranoid about vegetable emojis too.

 

[Spymaster]

Casual sex. I’d been inviting people for casual sex. I’m glad I was told.

Same, I’m sure. I’m now rather disappointed that nobody took me up on it.

 

[fishfinger]

That at least, is potentially useful information.

Cheers.

Now you know the reason for all those refusals wasn't down to your taste in movies

 

[Orang Utan]

No. I’m not apologising to anyone on your say so, nor because they chose to be offended by something that was only offensive because they chose it to be.

If either you, or she, feels you should, and you both should, apologise to me for you passive aggressiveness, I’ll be open to listening.

I find your post and attitude offensive, are you ready to apologise for that?

You don’t get to decide whether someone else is offended or not. It’s not your call. How arrogant to claim someone is ‘choosing’ to be offended. They might not even be offended, but just aware of what’s going on.

 

[danny la rouge]

Same, I’m sure. I’m now rather disappointed that nobody took me up on it.

“Did you know they were swingers? I mean he looks the type, but she doesn’t!”

 

[Spymaster]

You’d have found out one way or another.
I didn’t think it was necessarily casual sex…

And now I’m a little paranoid about vegetable emojis too.

I’m on a couple of sports club chat groups where the others are significantly younger than me and I frequently can’t decipher the emojis. I’m pretty sure that the aubergine has another connotation but damned if I know what it is.

 

[8ball]

is cunt not misogynistic on Urban too?

It's an ecumenical matter.

 

[danny la rouge]

I’m on a couple of sports club chat groups where the others are significantly younger than me and I frequently can’t decipher the emojis. I’m pretty sure that the aubergine has another connotation but damned if I know what it is.

Again, sexy times. Everything is sexytimes.

 

[hitmouse]

Indeed. My teenage son had to have a serious chat with me about some of the emojis and how they don't mean what I think they mean even in vegetarian cookery contexts.

Our mothers could not stop using horny emojis. They used the winking one with its tongue out on our birthdays, they sent us long rows of the spurting three droplets when it rained. We had told them a thousand times, but they never listened - as long as they lived and loved us, as long as they had split themselves open to have us, they would send the peach in peach season.

 

[hitmouse]

I’m on a couple of sports club chat groups where the others are significantly younger than me and I frequently can’t decipher the emojis. I’m pretty sure that the aubergine has another connotation but damned if I know what it is.

Aubergine is dick.

 

[xenon]

I’m on a couple of sports club chat groups where the others are significantly younger than me and I frequently can’t decipher the emojis. I’m pretty sure that the aubergine has another connotation but damned if I know what it is.

Wanker...

It means wanker doesn't it?

 

[8ball]

Aubergine is dick.

I think some things change meaning depending whether or not they are on Snapchat too.
Such as the avocado emoji.

Maybe best just avoid Snapchat.