Boris's ban on alcohol on London Transport (with poll)

[scifisam]

Whats wrong with banning it because it stinks.

It seems rather a lot of money to spend on something which is going to make no difference to crime and 'anti-social behaviour.' That's what's wrong.

 

[editor]

Can you legally take drugs on the tube also, or are you just augmenting the argument with irrelevancies?

Illegal drugs are illegal wherever they are taken, so your point is just a tad facile.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

. Drinking on the tube is not that common and people causing trouble while drinking is even rarer.

The clueless Boris wildly exaggerated the whole 'threat' of rampaging drinkers on the tube to garner votes.

If it is so rare as you make it out to be, then the London electorate really must be stupid sheeple to believe such propaganda.

It would be like campaigning on a promise to rid the Capital of rampaging hyenas. Most people wouldn't be fooled by such an obvious fabrication.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Illegal drugs are illegal wherever they are taken, so your point is just a tad facile.

But we're talking about the merit, or lack thereof, of banning alcohol consumption on public transportation.

How do illegal drugs enter into it?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

If it is so rare as you make it out to be, then the London electorate really must be stupid sheeple to believe such propaganda.

It would be like campaigning on a promise to rid the Capital of rampaging hyenas. Most people wouldn't be fooled by such an obvious fabrication.

Is there the slightest bit of evidence that the London electorate thinks this is a good idea? This wasn't even in his manifesto.

 

[Harold Hill]

It seems rather a lot of money to spend on something which is going to make no difference to crime and 'anti-social behaviour.' That's what's wrong.

I'm not sure the extra officers are just to enforce a no alcohol rule though are they.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Is there the slightest bit of evidence that the London electorate thinks this is a good idea? This wasn't even in his manifesto.

You should have a word with the boss, then.

05-05-2008, 15:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gaijingirl
I don't do it very often.. but then I very rarely see people drinking on the tube at all...

Johnny: please read and understand this point. Drinking on the tube is not that common and people causing trouble while drinking is even rarer.

The clueless Boris wildly exaggerated the whole 'threat' of rampaging drinkers on the tube to garner votes.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

But we're talking about the merit, or lack thereof, of banning alcohol consumption on public transportation.

How do illegal drugs enter into it?

You should be on TV, you've got this down pat

Stop talking about drugs, it's irrelevant. I might have said "drugs and alcohol"; the drugs wasn't relevant, you're just picking it up to avoid talking about alcohol.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You should be on TV, you've got this down pat

Stop talking about drugs, it's irrelevant.

Are you and the editor doing some sort of Laurel and Hardy routine here?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You should be on TV, you've got this down pat
.

p.s My name isn't Pat.

 

[Dhimmi]

Time will tell. I've been wondering the past few days how various agendas are going to attempt to attack, destabilise and in time unseat him.

Well I'm not a Londoner so I have a simplistic viewpoint on it. Boris will end up getting the blame for the cash sinkhole the Olympics are set to become, and if, as looks likely, the Tories are back at No10 by then so will they. Very similar to how the Millennium Dome, created by Tories, was blamed on Nu Labour but with a multiplying factor.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You should be on TV, you've got this down pat

Stop talking about drugs, it's irrelevant. I might have said "drugs and alcohol"; the drugs wasn't relevant, you're just picking it up to avoid talking about alcohol.

I wanted to talk about alcohol, but ed started maundering about illegal drugs.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Well I'm not a Londoner so I have a simplistic viewpoint on it. Boris will end up getting the blame for the cash sinkhole the Olympics are set to become, and if, as looks likely, the Tories are back at No10 by then so will they. Very similar to how the Millennium Dome, created by Tories, was blamed on Nu Labour but with a multiplying factor.

Boris will also get blamed for Global Warming, and also the Tibetan Genocide.

 

[editor]

But we're talking about the merit, or lack thereof, of banning alcohol consumption on public transportation.

How do illegal drugs enter into it?

So, you admit that your argument for banning drinking on the tube fell apart in little pieces when you suggested wolfing down a load of booze before making the journey, yes?

And how is Boris's argument any different?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Well I'm not a Londoner so I have a simplistic viewpoint on it. Boris will end up getting the blame for the cash sinkhole the Olympics are set to become, and if, as looks likely, the Tories are back at No10 by then so will they. Very similar to how the Millennium Dome, created by Tories, was blamed on Nu Labour but with a multiplying factor.

I think that is basically right, but there is a slight difference to the Dome thing, in that, under the current system, mayors really aren't going to be able to reject the Olympics; they'd lose the support of so many people they need to impress to stay active. (Not that this is a good thing.) They might manage it better or worse but even in the best case, it's still going to be a massively over-spent piece of crap. The Dome, on the other hand, was much more a discretionary affair.

 

[editor]

I wanted to talk about alcohol, but ed started maundering about illegal drugs.

You mentioned drugs before me actually, and I was quoting your post.

 

[8ball]

The Olympics is a stupid pointless waste of drugs and should be relocated to Luton.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

So, you admit that your argument for banning drinking on the tube fell apart in little pieces when you suggested wolfing down a load of booze before making the journey, yes?

And how is Boris's argument any different?

No. My 'argument' was a sop to confirmed alcoholics who couldn't face a tube trip without an alcoholic load on.

I think most normal people can withstand a tube trip without a beer clutched in their sweaty mitts.

 

[8ball]

It's good to have a brew in your hand when dealing with the Tube.

 

[editor]

I think most normal people can withstand a tube trip without a beer clutched in their sweaty mitts.

Most normal people have no problem enjoying a can on the tube too.

If you think banning it is such a good idea and worth the expenditure involved in enforcing it, perhaps you could produce some figures concerning the problems caused by people drinking on the tube please?

Remember, people getting on who are already drunk don't count!

So, what stats have you got? There's certainly not much empiric evidence to be found here though.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

No. My 'argument' was a sop to confirmed alcoholics who couldn't face a tube trip without an alcoholic load on.

I think most normal people can withstand a tube trip without a beer clutched in their sweaty mitts.

I can withstand a whole _lifetime_ without having a drink, but I don't want to and I don't see any reason why I should. Or why some twat should tell me I have to.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The Olympics is a stupid pointless waste of drugs and should be relocated to Luton.

This is problematic because while I'm not a fan of Luton, it's not done anything to deserve having the Olympics.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You mentioned drugs before me actually, and I was quoting your post.

Apologies to you: it was Fridgemagnet who first expanded it to 'drugs and alcohol'. I thought it was you.

Fridgemagnet. I should have known.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I can withstand a whole _lifetime_ without having a drink, but I don't want to and I don't see any reason why I should. Or why some twat should tell me I have to.

There are all sorts of legal constraints on alcohol consumption.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

There are all sorts of legal constraints on alcohol consumption.

There are all sorts of different birds - finches, crows, the parrot family....

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Most normal people have no problem enjoying a can on the tube too.

If you think banning it is such a good idea and worth the expenditure involved in enforcing it, perhaps you could produce some figures concerning the problems caused by people drinking on the tube please?

Remember, people getting on who are already drunk don't count!

So, what stats have you got? There's certainly not much empiric evidence to be found here though.

What evidence do you have that it won't be of assistance.


p.s. My opinion is based on the experience here, between the days when such public alcohol consumption was tolerated, and now, when it isn't.

So I at least have some evidence for my position.

 

[Dhimmi]

I think that is basically right, but there is a slight difference to the Dome thing, in that, under the current system, mayors really aren't going to be able to reject the Olympics; they'd lose the support of so many people they need to impress to stay active. (Not that this is a good thing.) They might manage it better or worse but even in the best case, it's still going to be a massively over-spent piece of crap. The Dome, on the other hand, was much more a discretionary affair.

Good point, it was just a convenient and similar example.

I think the key to get Boris out is preparation, although I haven't heard what Ken's plans are. Does anyone know? Labour could look very different by the time of the next Mayoral Election though so whether he'd get to be the official candidate I couldn't say.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

There are all sorts of different birds - finches, crows, the parrot family....

You've been into the sauce already, haven't you.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

You've been into the sauce already, haven't you.

It's my little suggestion that you might be just stating something without it being relevant.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It's my little suggestion that you might be just stating something without it being relevant.

But you'd be incorrect, which is why I made the comment about the sauce.