Boris's ban on alcohol on London Transport (with poll)

[GarfieldLeChat]

usual circle jerk in full effect today i see...

I'm sure you can continue this in the pub later...

 

[rutabowa]

usual circle jerk in full effect today i see...

I'm sure you can continue this in the pub later...

i reckon i've met up with you in the pub more often than anyone else on this thread!
are you off on... is it june 6th? pub in the park.

 

[Crispy]

usual circle jerk in full effect today i see...

I'm sure you can continue this in the pub later...

Get a grip, garf

There aren't two sides of an argument here, one sayingn "alcohol is harmless - glug away!" and the other saying "alcohol kills, even a little bit!"

You know full well that the situation is a lot more nuanced than that.

PS: The last thing I'd want to do is jerk the editor off - my opinions are my own and if I disagree with him I'll say so.

 

[dream_girl]

usual circle jerk in full effect today i see...

I'm slightly embarrassed that I appear to be agreeing with editor on this - but so be it - can't be helped - I'm only stating my actual opinions.

 

[editor]

PS: The last thing I'd want to do is jerk the editor off

I can't say the prospect excites me too much either.

*goes for cup of tea to remove the dreadful image now lodged in brain

 

[ovaltina]

fap

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Over 1300 posts and no ones getting jerked off?

I wonder why BoJo is so anti drinking in public and yet was against the smoking ban despite the overwhelming scientific evidence that second hand smoke damages people's health? Wonder if the up to £10,000 donation he received from the Tobacco industry had anything to do with it?

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=143546&in_page_id=34

 

[editor]

The RMT union have declared themselves to be very unhappy about Boris's booze ban, declaring it unenforceable.

A transport union has criticised the Tube alcohol ban a year after it came into force, saying its members have been abused trying to enforce it.

The Rail, Maritime and Transport (RMT) union says the ban is unenforceable.

London Mayor Boris Johnson banned the consumption of alcohol on Tubes, buses and the DLR to make the network safer at night.

The ban is not an arrestable offence because it is a condition of carriage on services and not a crime.

Hundreds of people partied on Tube trains last year on the eve of the ban.

Staff have the power to tell those caught drinking to leave the Tube.

British Transport Police (BTP) figures show public disorder cases have dropped 4.5% in the last year, with crime falling by 8.1%.

The RMT's Steve Hadley said: "They've brought it in without financing it properly, and brought it in without adequate staff, and to be quite honest it hasn't really worked.

"There's a lot of our members who have tried to enforce the booze ban, and they've been verbally abused by members of the public, and some of them have even been physically abused by members of the public."

The Mayor's transport adviser, Kulveer Ranger, said: "We feel it's been a good thing for Londoners, it has improved the environment on the Tube, there's aren't those empty cans and bottles of beer rolling around.

"It's really about having a cleaner, safer environment for people to travel in," he said.

Labour's transport lead on the London Assembly, Val Shawcross, said: "Boris says that the ban is his proudest achievement, but he has done nothing to make it work.

"There have been no arrests, no cautions, no alcohol confiscated and no records kept of how many people have refused to observe the ban."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8077589.stm

 

[skyscraper101]

The ban is such a stupid PR stunt. I completely oppose the tarnishing of anyone who wants to enjoy a drink on the tube as a wrongun, just because there's been the (supposed) occasional rowdy behaviour by a few who have been drunk in the past.

Of course there's no way to measure how much they have drunk before getting on the tubes, and there's no way to stop drunk people travelling anyway. Stupid, thoughtless, PR stunt with no financial support or training to back it up causing headache for staff who I suspect couldn't care less if people drink so long as they behave and don't fuck about.

 

[editor]

Well, exactly. If people behave, why should it matter what they're drinking? And if they do misbehave, there's already ample laws in place to penalise them without making up extra unenforceable and pointless legislation that makes no difference at all in the real world.

 

[teuchter]

Labour's transport lead on the London Assembly, Val Shawcross, said: "Boris says that the ban is his proudest achievement, but he has done nothing to make it work.

"There have been no arrests, no cautions, no alcohol confiscated and no records kept of how many people have refused to observe the ban."

Presumably this is because it isn't an arrestable offence, as stated earlier in the same article?

Anyway - I have continued to drink on the tube with the same frequency as I did before, and haven't been challenged once.

As for the RMT - why are their members bothering to try and enforce it? Are they now technically required to do something if they see someone drinking - or is it discretional?

 

[editor]

Our Northern Line tube to Old Street was packed full of drinkers tonight and the only mild irritation came from a (non-drinking) oddball transsexual dressed in a bizarre Muslim costume who insisted in cavorting around the carriage floor.

 

[Endeavour]

As for the RMT - why are their members bothering to try and enforce it? Are they now technically required to do something if they see someone drinking - or is it discretional?

Yeah it's odd isn't it.

The RMT allowing their members to become pretend police with the sole power of asking 'offenders' to leave the transport system.

The RMT's Steve Hadley said:

"There's a lot of our members who have tried to enforce the booze ban, and they've been verbally abused by members of the public, and some of them have even been physically abused by members of the public."

Must have changed for the worse for them since the ban I would have thought for them, amen.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

I've just ignored it whenever I have been over to be honest. Carried on as before
. I am more worried about this though

"Kulveer Ranger, said: "We feel it's been a good thing for Londoners, it has improved the environment on the Tube, there's aren't those empty cans and bottles of beer rolling around."


If that is a journo's typo then ok. If not, what the fuck are they doing working in PR

 

[Oswaldtwistle]

I would strongly suspect that is a typo by the journalist.

 

[winjer]

A PC lunges at Chris Leonard and grabs him by the neck as police try to clear a train station packed with party-goers.

Astonishingly it was Chris – who claims he was punched in the face up to four times and got two suspected cracked ribs when the officer threw him to the floor and knelt on him – who was charged with assault.

This week the case was thrown out of court after prosecutors reviewed a police video and Press pictures of the incident. Chris, 26, is now preparing to sue the police over the assault and for malicious prosecution and false imprisonment.

And he is planning to go to the Independent Police Complaints Commission about PC James Hendrick – the officer he claims assaulted him at Liverpool Street station in May last year. PC Hendrick is in the Met’s Territorial Support Group.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...by-police-and-thrown-in-jail-115875-21583044/

 

[Brixton Hatter]

i still drink on the tube, mainly going to/from footy matches, and to be honest, no-one ever gives me a second glance. no one really cares!

 

[FridgeMagnet]

A Met police spokesman said: “Now we’re aware of these allegations the Directorate of Professional Standards will look into them due to the seriousness of the allegations being made against our staff.”

A British Transport Police spokesman said: “We’ve been made aware of the issue and we’re looking into it as a matter of urgency.”

HELP my eyes have rolled right into the back of my head and won't come back!

 

[paolo]

I still have the odd drink on the bus. Not had anyone look at me disapprovingly at all. One time, on a fairly busy bus, a 'well to do' lady sat next to me started rummaging in her bag, and pomptly decanted some wine from a bottle into a more anonymous flask

 

[blossie33]

I've seen a few people drinking on the buses since the ban.

I don't think all the seats are visible to the driver and as long as you are not making a nuisance of yourself or someone complained, it's very unlikely the driver would challenge you about it.

 

[grit]

As a new arrival I'm really surprised that it was actually allowed in the first place.

Personally I dont really care once they are not causing any trouble to any other passengers. I'd imagine thats a lot of peoples view on it?

 

[Maggot]

As a new arrival I'm really surprised that it was actually allowed in the first place.

Not only was it allowed, there used to be bars on certain tube platforms.

 

[paolo]

On Berlin's S-Bahn, there's places selling cold beers. On some station platforms there's even tables to perch up at, have a smoke etc. Very civilised over there.

 

[grit]

Not only was it allowed, there used to be bars on certain tube platforms.

Poo as always I miss the best bits of the party Thats pretty cool though

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

I still have the odd drink on the bus. Not had anyone look at me disapprovingly at all. One time, on a fairly busy bus, a 'well to do' lady sat next to me started rummaging in her bag, and pomptly decanted some wine from a bottle into a more anonymous flask

 

[Badgers]

On longer train journeys I find a few beers (ideally from the offy not the buffet car) is very pleasing.
I suppose that the tubes/buses are a bit more confined but still think the whole things is a bit lame really.

 

[Maggot]

Poo as always I miss the best bits of the party Thats pretty cool though

That was a long while ago. I think the last one was the one at Sloane Square which closed in 1985.

http://london-underground.blogspot.com/2005/08/pubs-on-london-underground.html