Boris's ban on alcohol on London Transport (with poll)

[scifisam]

But you just said that almost no one drinks on the tube, which means it'll take next to no extra police manpower to stop that little bit.

Read the article. He's planning on 440 extra police to back this up.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

40 minute tube journeys are not common, especially when you're talking for pleasure purposes rather than work commuting.

Don't those soccer hooligans have to commute in from the suburbs or something?

 

[teuchter]

As you know, alcohol is cumulative. If you have a 40 minute tube trip plus a walk before you get to the soccer game, you'll already be on your way to sobering up.

Not the same if you drink right up to the stadium gates.

That would only make the slightest bit of sense if the idea was to stop people getting drunk at all. In any case if someone wants to get drunk before a football match they'd get an earlier tube and spend the 40 mins in a pub instead.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Read the article. He's planning on 440 extra police to back this up.

Maybe it's a bigger problem than you thought.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

When was the last time you experienced problems with someone drinking as opposed to being drunk on the tube, btws.

No one drinks on the tube here, because it's illegal, always been illegal.

Like I said, you did get people drinking in public places, usually as a prelude to big events. There were always lots of fights, etc.

Then the cops clamped down, and the fighting etc, dropped right off at these things.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I know what you're saying about alcohol, but it's been the local experience that a clampdown on drinking in public lead to a decrease in rowdy behaviour. I don't know exactly why, based on the science of alcohol consumption, but I know it to be true.

I recall two different experiences from my callow youth.

One time, we drank some booze, and went to a movie. When we came out, we were on our way to a hangover.

Another time, we snuck some booze into a movie, and came out staggering drunk.

 

[Prince Rhyus]

The trick is in enforcement.

...and then for those who break the law, going through our already over-burdened criminal justice system.

Rather than banning drinking on the tube for everyone, wouldn't it make more sense to asbo the people who drink on the tube and are violent/cause disruption as a result of it?

That way if they break the asbo they get banged up. Not very liberal I know but my point is that there exist means of dealing with the issue rather than bringing in something new.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Even in the magical land of Yurp, we don't show films on the tube, and usually, journeys don't last an hour and a half unless you're really unlucky.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The trick is in enforcement.

...and then for those who break the law, going through our already over-burdened criminal justice system.

Rather than banning drinking on the tube for everyone, wouldn't it make more sense to asbo the people who drink on the tube and are violent/cause disruption as a result of it?

That way if they break the asbo they get banged up. Not very liberal I know but my point is that there exist means of dealing with the issue rather than bringing in something new.

The idea of meting out punishments to people when they do things wrong is so 20th century.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Even in the magical land of Yurp, we don't show films on the tube, and usually, journeys don't last an hour and a half unless you're really unlucky.

Did you really not understand the point?

I can spell it out word for word if you didn't.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Why do people want to drink alcohol on the tube, anyway, if it's not 'preparatory' drinking?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Did you really not understand the point?

I can spell it out word for word if you didn't.

I saw the point, but I thought it was a bollocks analogy.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I saw the point, but I thought it was a bollocks analogy.

Will it really cause you so much consternation to be separated from your booze for a short tube ride?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Just shotgun down a few brewskis just before you head out, to tide you over through the journey; then get off the tube, and run to the nearest pub.

 

[editor]

Like I said, you did get people drinking in public places, usually as a prelude to big events. There were always lots of fights, etc.

Then the cops clamped down, and the fighting etc, dropped right off at these things.

And what's this got to do with drinking on the tube?

Problems caused by people actually drinking on the tube (as opposed to already being drunk) really are so small as to be almost insignificant.

But clearly Boris's vote-stirring propaganda is working on you.

 

[editor]

Just shotgun down a few brewskis just before you head out, to tide you over through the journey; then get off the tube, and run to the nearest pub.

But you'd be more likely to be drunk on the tube if you wolfed down drinks before getting on the train than if you drank during the actual journey!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

But clearly Boris's vote-stirring propaganda is working on you.

What he's doing is consistent with the way the law is in NA. Perhaps he sees it as a small step to curbing the creeping social disorder that you seem to be undergoing.

 

[gaijingirl]

Why do people want to drink alcohol on the tube, anyway, if it's not 'preparatory' drinking?

I had a gin and tonic on the train today - served by the train staff. I'd been on a long day cycling and fancied a drink on my way home. The lady in front of me was having a can of beer. Quite normal - neither of us "preparatory" drinking - just enjoying a drink on our way home. Sometimes I'll do the same on a tube or bus - although I'd be less likely to as it would generally be a shorter journey.

I don't do it very often.. but then I very rarely see people drinking on the tube at all...

This whole policy is just a complete waste of time, energy and public money that could be so much better spent.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

But you'd be more likely to be drunk if you wolfed down drinks before getting on the tube than if you drank during the journey!

That's true. I"m just putting that out there as a pragmatic solution for all those who will become anxious if they are separated from their beer for the whole length of a tube ride.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I had a gin and tonic on the train today - served by the train staff. .

Things have changed. When I was last on the London Underground, there were no waiters serving drinks.

Maybe I was on the wrong car?

 

[8ball]

Stupid cunting fuck.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I had a gin and tonic on the train today - served by the train staff. I'd been on a long day cycling and fancied a drink on my way home. The lady in front of me was having a can of beer. Quite normal - neither of us "preparatory" drinking - just enjoying a drink on our way home. Sometimes I'll do the same on a tube or bus - although I'd be less likely to as it would generally be a shorter journey..

Can you drink on the tube in Tokyo?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

What he's doing is consistent with the way the law is in NA. Perhaps he sees it as a small step to curbing the creeping social disorder that you seem to be undergoing.

Because clearly the US has no issues with drugs and alcohol.

 

[8ball]

Can you drink on the tube in Tokyo?

When they're not looking . . .

 

[Harold Hill]

Whats wrong with banning it because it stinks.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Because clearly the US has no issues with drugs and alcohol.

Can you legally take drugs on the tube also, or are you just augmenting the argument with irrelevancies?

 

[8ball]

Whats wrong with banning it because it stinks.

We haven't banned you yet.

 

[editor]

I don't do it very often.. but then I very rarely see people drinking on the tube at all...

Johnny: please read and understand this point. Drinking on the tube is not that common and people causing trouble while drinking is even rarer.

The clueless Boris wildly exaggerated the whole 'threat' of rampaging drinkers on the tube to garner votes.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Because clearly the US has no issues with drugs and alcohol.

No soccer hooligans.

 

[gaijingirl]

Things have changed. When I was last on the London Underground, there were no waiters serving drinks.

Maybe I was on the wrong car?

I don't know how you refer to them where you are, but trains and tubes are different things here.. that's why I said that I had the G&T on the train.... and sometimes I will also drink on the tube or bus (the three being separate forms of transport).

(ETA.. I'm in London btw).