BNP national demo in Keighley
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cockneyrebel
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How would you do that? Are there classes? Weekend retreats?LLETSA said:
It's getting bigger as we speak....................
pubs awash with fascists.... attacks on Asians in the street.... strength of fascism in West Yorkshire..... biggest BNP march for ten years...... BNP are back to the streets.... defend the community in Keighley....and the need for a workers party to come out of the the TUC.
"Is this the real world
or is it Timperley?"
(Frank Sidebottom salutes the magic of Fredie Mercury and Queen)
pubs awash with fascists.... attacks on Asians in the street.... strength of fascism in West Yorkshire..... biggest BNP march for ten years...... BNP are back to the streets.... defend the community in Keighley....and the need for a workers party to come out of the the TUC.
"Is this the real world
or is it Timperley?"
(Frank Sidebottom salutes the magic of Fredie Mercury and Queen)
Little cockney exposes himself again
Talking of 'exposing' things, this exposes the contemporary far-lefts function as a mere liberal pressure group.
The modern far-left is a strange phenomenon, with its dogmatic addiction to the ideology, politics and (supposedly) stirring rhetoric of late nineteenth century Russia, while in practice spending much of its time providing the personnel for the campaigns of the liberal middle classes.
It's a funny old world.
cockneyrebel said:
Talking of 'exposing' things, this exposes the contemporary far-lefts function as a mere liberal pressure group.
The modern far-left is a strange phenomenon, with its dogmatic addiction to the ideology, politics and (supposedly) stirring rhetoric of late nineteenth century Russia, while in practice spending much of its time providing the personnel for the campaigns of the liberal middle classes.
It's a funny old world.
cockneyrebel
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It is indeed.
Walked into the barbers the other day and said, how much for a hair cut?
£6 he said. How much for a shave then? £3.
I said shave me head then.
Boom Boom. Tommy Cooper by the way.
LLETSA said:
You seem to be making alot of broad judgements about the whole of the left in west yorkshire, and using the mistakes of UAF to do that.
Whose said anything about running away?
I can't speak for any other groups, but it's not WP's intention to plough in, cause trouble and fuck off. The reason I never joined the SWP is because I saw them do that in Bradford in 2001, and saw them stand back whilst local people, mates, got banged up for 6yrs at a time.
We don't have anybody in Keighley, aside of a few people I know, but we having been working to build a community anti-racist campaign (mainly with youth) in Beeston, Leeds. After the bombings It would have been quite easy for us to piss around holding mean-nothing peace marches with a few buisness owners, and then fuck off when it got out of the press... but thats not what we've done, and its not what we'll do in Keighley. WP are doing what they can to organise a militant response to the BNP on the 5th, and to do the same sort of youth work we've been doing in Leeds afterwards.
What I can't understand is what Cockers's lot have been doing in West Yorkshire whilst the Fourth Reich has been gathering pace.Surely their eagle eyed cadre would have spotted it, one minute REVO days of action going into banks and asking to see the manager in order for him to cancel world debt and the next minute pubs full of all day drinkers sporting BNP leaflets. Pre revolutionary days indeed!
cockneyrebel
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Thank you Mr LLETSA.
cockneyrebel
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That's gone over my head, but one request. Can you not quote Mr Wilson, it means I have to see his posts. And they're so repetively boring.
cockneyrebel said:
I remember in days gone by the Labour party used to hold marches, rallies and demos. This did not mean they were "on the streets" in the sense we're talking about; I don't remember tooled-up Kinnockites roaming the cities and commiting random arson attacks at the homes of Tory councillors.
You ask what my alternatives are. Since I dont have much time and I can't really be bothered repeating myself for the hard of understanding, here are some bullet points:
- Tell the truth. End the kneejerk reaction that anyone with brown skin must be innocent. Doing otherwise will be counterproductive. Make the fairly obvious point that, if there are organised asian paedos in keiley they should be dealth with; likewise the organised and disorganised paedos of all colours across the country.
- Face facts about the BNP. Calling them Nazis has utterly failed for the same reason that tory buffoons wittering on about the "socialist government" never get anywhere. Accept that far-right populism is a very different beast to the voters from Nazism; they're clever enough to see it even if you're not.
-Orientate yourselves towards communities, not union buraucrats and party hacks in your "new workers party".
-Most importantly, win some credibility and pull the rug from under the BNP by getting things done on the ground instead of pretending you can end the war in Iraq.
Chuck Wilson said:
Give it a rest y'sad bastard. No amount of sarcy rhetoric changes the fact that the fash are back on the streets in West Yorkshire...
They burnt two mosques here after the bombings, burnt a shop round the corner from my house, and have been setting off brawls between asian and white youth at the secondary school in Beeston, where the bombers were from... they've been attacking people in the street in Beeston and Holbeck. The month after the bombings a mob of about 50 of them were tooling round kicking the shit of any non-white person they could find.
So, say what you want, they are coming back on to the street.... and if your interested in finding some of the BNP/WNP pubs, I can direct you towards them... see how far you get talking about the IWCA before you get an ashtray in your gob.
cockneyrebel
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hibee you still aren't saying what should be done here and now. Do you think the BNP march should just be ignored by the left?
What you've said just sounds like rhetoric to me.
What you've said just sounds like rhetoric to me.
cockneyrebel said:
I'm saying the left in Keighley shouldn't bleat on, rebel warrior-style, about "myths" which are well documented. If they're going to oppose the BNP don't treat the punters like they're stupid; listen to their concerns, articulate them and see what you can do yourselves. So that when you have your counter demo they can't say you're the ones sweeping the paedos under the carpet.
And have that counter demo by all means but don't pretend that waving lollipops is going to advance your cause one iota; I've been there, done that. The real work isnt done will loudspeakers and banners.
LLETSA said:
The 50 or so people in Holbeck and Beeston were BNP, as were those provoking the fights at south leeds high school. Don't know about the mosque and shop burnings, but coupled with the other stuff that was definetly BNP... and the fact that in the last month me and other WP members have been threatened by the likes of Mark Collett and Chris Beverly in the street more times than we have in the last year... I'm willing to make an educated guess.
hibee said:
Right... they don't exist? that'd explain the 60 odd of them who turned up the last time Griffin was in court.
Where are the pubs...
The Malvern in Holbeck
The Three Legs on the Headrow
The White Hart opposite Elland Rd.
and various other places around leeds. I wasn't claiming they are specifically WNP pubs, but that alot of fascists from either organisation drink there
cockneyrebel said:
Grow up you fucking student , you spent hours on your REVO web board going on about me that's how boring I am.
red_hippy said:
The BNP/WNP did this? Any one remember Chicken licken ?
hibee said:
Alright, but I don't really give a shit what they call themselves... they are a bunch of violent fascists who frequent the same pubs in Leeds, and from what I know have been involved in attacks on people in Leeds. Whether they are nationalist alliance BPP, whatever, its the same people doing the same thing.
