BNP national demo in Keighley
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LLETSA said:
Other posters can make their own minds about that. It does seem though that rather than deal with fascists intimidating Asians in Keighley, all that concerns you is the deluded idea that you somehow won an argument based on ignoring fascists stirring up racial tensions in West Yorkshire and intimidating anyone who stands up to that.
LLETSA said:
I have addressed the issue, but you choose to ignore the threat of fascists marching in West Yorkshire. The only time I get 'indignant' is at those more holier than thou making crass statements of something they nothing about.
LLETSA said:
It was a harmless bit of fun to wind you up LLETSA old boy. I coundn't give two hoots where you went to for your jollies. To be clear, I do see things for myself with some reading of history. Your conclusion about this issue is to ignore it.
LLETSA said:
Nice bit of spin to a harmless piss-take LLETSA. Some of my best friends are teachers. I don't get frustrated by criticisms of dogma, nor am I a slave to any ideology. However, when someone replies to a post by saying:
(have you?), then that is not about articulating a political opinion, but rather gearing up to take the piss (out of someone who appears to be committed to fighting fascism) which ironically is the one thing you can't deal with when it's thrown in your direction.
MC5 said:
Nowhere on this thread do I advocate ignoring anything. You seem to be unable to distinguish between this thread and another one from a couple of months ago. Still, I know the pressure you must be under, facing the bastards down while they're intimidating Asians in the Three Legs.
MC5 said:
As I suspected-you seem to have gone to sleep it off for a bit. Best thing, if this gibberish is how it affects you. Have I ever encountered a member of the WNP? No. And I don't think many others have either. Which was precisely my point. As you might have been able to see had you removed that slice of fried potato from the shoulder of your denim waistcoat.
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LLETSA said:
Dewsbury town hall, ended up in a room where the NF were to meet with two elderly Asians and another anti-fascist.
I found out that fascists had been told told to target me if seen on the streets (it's what they do to opponents). A friend had her windows put through and a swastika was painted on her house. Another friend was attacked by a local fascist loon (a teacher), but unbeknown to him, someone else was with him at the time and saw the fascist off.
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And there was I, thinking you were talking about the here and now- you know, the very issue that the BNP are going on about, the central issue of their supposed demo on the 5th Nov? I thought you were going to tell me about how they were using it to victimise a whole community (which they are) and what you are doing about it-you know, avowedly being a man of action? Silly me. Imagine my disappointment to discover it's just another excuse for MC5 to take a walk down Memory Lane. (Is that a road in Leeds?)
Still, I suppose all your tales will be verified when the latest of Eamonn Andrews' successors shoves that red book into your hands, eh MC5? Now, I know youy keep jumping up with a 'Grrr! I'll show him a thing or two, the Man City supporting scoundrel!' and rushing over to the computer every time you try to get settled on the divan, but just try and blot out what I've said and you'll soon be able to sleep it off.
MC5 said:
And there was I, thinking you were talking about the here and now- you know, the very issue that the BNP are going on about, the central issue of their supposed demo on the 5th Nov? I thought you were going to tell me about how they were using it to victimise a whole community (which they are) and what you are doing about it-you know, avowedly being a man of action? Silly me. Imagine my disappointment to discover it's just another excuse for MC5 to take a walk down Memory Lane. (Is that a road in Leeds?)
Still, I suppose all your tales will be verified when the latest of Eamonn Andrews' successors shoves that red book into your hands, eh MC5? Now, I know youy keep jumping up with a 'Grrr! I'll show him a thing or two, the Man City supporting scoundrel!' and rushing over to the computer every time you try to get settled on the divan, but just try and blot out what I've said and you'll soon be able to sleep it off.
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LLETSA said:
Working class history has been covered by many (not enough working-class class ones though), here's one that does mention a road in Leeds - that exists.
The Making of the English Working Class, by E.P. Thompson.
As for the 'action' bit? That is meant by the second letter of the R and A board you keep mentioning.
Boo said:
Yeah, I didn't mean to misrepresent the importance of community action after the bombings. However, my experience of being on one of these marches was that rather than being the beginning of a road towards the community fighting back against the backlash, they were built in an obstructive way.... subordinating what the majority of young people on the demos wanted to the pro-government objectives of the religious leaders and buisness owners who were on the demonstration (clerics ripping megaphones of young women and warning them 'I know your father blah blah' because they didn't like what they were chanting, standing in the way of organising very necesarry defence against the police and racists attacks) Anyways, bit of a de-rail... PM if you want to talk more about this.
cockneyrebel
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Just had a brief search on the internet and this info came up. Do people know if it is accurate?
If it is it kind of brings into question whether an organisation who had a leading organiser who was a gang rapist and current members who take part in wife beating, terrorism and beating up a pensioner are best placed to take on the serious issue of child abuse. It's also interesting to read the searchlight article about one of the mums in Keighley who helped make the documentary exposing child abuse in Keighley. She slams the BNP for their cynical use of such a sensitive subject. As I said, they're sick fuckers.
From Searchlight
On Sunday 14 April 2002 was the day the tide turned in Oldham. BNP members woke up to a large feature in the Sunday Mirror exposing their leafleting organiser Robert Bennett as a convicted gang rapist and armed robber.
From Wikipedia:
While they claim any individuals involved with criminality would be immediately expelled from the BNP, Brian Turner, a Burnley local authority BNP councillor found guilty of attacking his wife and a police officer – has recently been told he will keep his job. Turner was arrested on February 5th 2005 at Cuthbert Street in Burnley, after reports of a domestic violence incident at a house in St Cuthbert Street, Burnley. The court was told at a previous hearing how Turner, who has 11 previous convictions, was aggressive towards the police officer who tried to restrain him, and kicked him in the leg.
Tony Lecomber, is a convicted bomber and racist attacker, almost killing a man on the London Underground. He was never expelled from the party, and is now the BNP's national development officer.
Paul Bennett, BNP council candidate for Barnsley (assaulting a pensioner.)
If it is it kind of brings into question whether an organisation who had a leading organiser who was a gang rapist and current members who take part in wife beating, terrorism and beating up a pensioner are best placed to take on the serious issue of child abuse. It's also interesting to read the searchlight article about one of the mums in Keighley who helped make the documentary exposing child abuse in Keighley. She slams the BNP for their cynical use of such a sensitive subject. As I said, they're sick fuckers.
From Searchlight
On Sunday 14 April 2002 was the day the tide turned in Oldham. BNP members woke up to a large feature in the Sunday Mirror exposing their leafleting organiser Robert Bennett as a convicted gang rapist and armed robber.
From Wikipedia:
While they claim any individuals involved with criminality would be immediately expelled from the BNP, Brian Turner, a Burnley local authority BNP councillor found guilty of attacking his wife and a police officer – has recently been told he will keep his job. Turner was arrested on February 5th 2005 at Cuthbert Street in Burnley, after reports of a domestic violence incident at a house in St Cuthbert Street, Burnley. The court was told at a previous hearing how Turner, who has 11 previous convictions, was aggressive towards the police officer who tried to restrain him, and kicked him in the leg.
Tony Lecomber, is a convicted bomber and racist attacker, almost killing a man on the London Underground. He was never expelled from the party, and is now the BNP's national development officer.
Paul Bennett, BNP council candidate for Barnsley (assaulting a pensioner.)
cockneyrebel
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I don't think it's a be all and end all factor that will stop the BNP. But I don't think it's a bad thing to point out that a group that has members who have been convicted for beating up a pensioner, abusing and beating their wife and terrorism aren't the best people to deal with the issue of child abuse.
I also think that the stuff about the woman who helped make the documentary is damaging to the BNP.
And I doubt it helped their campaign in Oldham when it was revealed that one of their main organisers was a gang rapist. Hardly fits in with the family friendly image they're trying to promote.
I do think this kind of thing could make some people think twice about getting involved in the BNP, even if in and of itself it won't stop them growing.
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rebel warrior
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The demo on the 5th has been banned - see www.uaf.org.uk
However, it is important that people who can try to get to Leeds on the 2nd still.
However, it is important that people who can try to get to Leeds on the 2nd still.
