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BNP membership list has been put online.

Of course none of this is happening at the moment. But some of the comments on this thread suggest that people would like to see people (and their families) harassed (potentially physically) or sacked from their jobs simply because of their political views. In fact, not even because of their political views, simply because they are a member of a legitimate political organisation.

That a large number of people seem to hold this view I find disappointing and worrying, and I don't think it's invalid to compare it with McCarthyism.

That's a good point. It saddens me also to observe how some people on the far left readily adopt the behaviours of their perceived enemies in order to oppose them. I've seen such transformations happen to so many people on the left. Perhaps if they were more spiritual, prayed more and eschewed such tactics of burning hatred they would realise that violence only begets violence.

The rise of the BNP in UK politics in recent years represents a sea change in British politics that concerns many, myself included.

It is concerning that the BNP has grown in the way it has, and so many people out there are still wedded to racist ideas, when ancestrally speaking, all of us are related to one another, black and white alike. We are all brothers and sisters of the human race.

The world is going through a period of economic crisis without precedent and increasing - and very justified - industrial discontent, when both the far left AND far right are on the rise.

There are forces out there - particularly amongst the capitalist ruling class who see the foundation stones of their empire and control crumbling - that would be only too happy to see both of these camps fighting amongst themselves instead.

The list has clearly become an overnight national obsession. I hope I'm wrong, clearly in terms of historic timescales we're not there yet, but I think the publication of this list could end up fomenting an unprecedented period of unrest between the far left and the far right. Look at the rise of Mosley, the Battle of Cable Street. These all took place at the height of the last great recession.
 
That's a good point. It saddens me also to observe how some people on the far left readily adopt the behaviours of their perceived enemies in order to oppose them. I've seen such transformations happen to so many people on the left. Perhaps if they were more spiritual, prayed more and eschewed such tactics of burning hatred they would realise that violence only begets violence.

The rise of the BNP in UK politics in recent years represents a sea change in British politics that concerns many, myself included.

It is concerning that the BNP has grown in the way it has, and so many people out there are still wedded to racist ideas, when ancestrally speaking, all of us are related to one another, black and white alike. We are all brothers and sisters of the human race.

The world is going through a period of economic crisis without precedent and increasing - and very justified - industrial discontent, when both the far left AND far right are on the rise.

There are forces out there - particularly amongst the capitalist ruling class who see the foundation stones of their empire and control crumbling - that would be only too happy to see both of these camps fighting amongst themselves instead.

The list has clearly become an overnight national obsession. I hope I'm wrong, clearly in terms of historic timescales we're not there yet, but I think the publication of this list could end up fomenting an unprecedented period of unrest between the far left and the far right. Look at the rise of Mosley, the Battle of Cable Street. These all took place at the height of the last great recession.

= load of old tosh
 
There's just one organisation advocating "physical harassment" of individual BNP members at the mo and they are not of the left. Mind you reading some comments from the various camps of the far-right there maybe more?

The left, incuding the various 'far-left' groups, are opposed to individual acts of "physical harassment" on anyone.
 
There's just one organisation advocating "physical harassment" of individual BNP members at the mo and they are not of the left. Mind you reading some comments from the various camps of the far-right there maybe more?

The left, incuding the various 'far-left' groups, are opposed to individual acts of "physical harassment" on anyone.

By that I assume you're referring to Antifa, an outfit I have no problem with whatsoever, personally. I'm sure they'll be on the case as we speak.
 
That's a good point. It saddens me also to observe how some people on the far left readily adopt the behaviours of their perceived enemies in order to oppose them. I've seen such transformations happen to so many people on the left. Perhaps if they were more spiritual, prayed more and eschewed such tactics of burning hatred they would realise that violence only begets violence.

Well you've convinced me, time to pray away the BNP :cool:

Anybody joining me in a hand holding ring? I reckon if we pray really really hard we might get rid of the NF too!
 
Well you've convinced me, time to pray away the BNP :cool:

Anybody joining me in a hand holding ring? I reckon if we pray really really hard we might get rid of the NF too!

I don't suppose it could hurt. :)

What I'm waiting impatiently for is for someone to cross-reference the names on that list with a list of people with criminal convictions. When that comes out, they'll be the ones to pray hardest for. :D
 
The fact that the list shows 11,000+ members from across the country should be a worry (and a wake up call) to us all. I have grown tired to the far-left assuming that slogan shouting and placards will be enough to defeat the BNP. It has never been, it can never be enough. The BNP have done enough to get their first seat on the GLA; in the same elections the split Respect/Left List factions collapsed. Even the celebrity factor of Mr G. Galloway failed to attract votes.

Electoral politics are not the be-all and end-all of life on this island. But the BNP are doing very well at it, with UKIP falling apart, and the far-left without a comparable strong brand or political group. From these 11,000 people will come individuals who think the name-and-shame culture is typical of a nanny-state leftist agenda and do something about it - keep the BNP as strong if not stronger.

In the grand scheme of things, this could well be just another footnote in history. But I don't like knowing how close I am to members of this party, i want them defeated at the ballot box as much as the rest of you. However the real world does not speak or think like the posts on a far-left internet forum. If you listen to the bus stops, water coolers, bars and newsagents of the real world, I can certainly sense the feeling that the right and far-right message is getting through.

I doubt publishing the membership list of the Communist Party of Great Britain would create 70+ pages of debate.
 
The fact that the list shows 11,000+ members from across the country should be a worry (and a wake up call) to us all. I have grown tired to the far-left assuming that slogan shouting and placards will be enough to defeat the BNP. It has never been, it can never be enough. The BNP have done enough to get their first seat on the GLA; in the same elections the split Respect/Left List factions collapsed. Even the celebrity factor of Mr G. Galloway failed to attract votes.

Electoral politics are not the be-all and end-all of life on this island. But the BNP are doing very well at it, with UKIP falling apart, and the far-left without a comparable strong brand or political group. From these 11,000 people will come individuals who think the name-and-shame culture is typical of a nanny-state leftist agenda and do something about it - keep the BNP as strong if not stronger.

In the grand scheme of things, this could well be just another footnote in history. But I don't like knowing how close I am to members of this party, i want them defeated at the ballot box as much as the rest of you. However the real world does not speak or think like the posts on a far-left internet forum. If you listen to the bus stops, water coolers, bars and newsagents of the real world, I can certainly sense the feeling that the right and far-right message is getting through.

I doubt publishing the membership list of the Communist Party of Great Britain would create 70+ pages of debate.

sadly the bnp will contiue to grow until you only have to look around here at some posters who like to think they are left wing or liberal but in fact are just the usual hypcoritcal conservative middle england fuckwits the far right will continue to grow until issues surroundign poverty and education and ulitmaly democracy are addressed - and thats before we even try to get to grips with the the results of an elitist political class on the one hand and the growing impact of globalisation on the other its ok for the professional classes by the nature of these occupations they are inoculated against globalisation - those with less skills or the old 'working classess' are not and in the face of incraseing competition from abroad
it took a disgruntled bnp memeber to put the list on line if i am correct which just exposes how inept the left are imo
 
Well yes, that is a factual point. But were these 0.02% so unimportant, there would not exist such a movement to have them, to borrow a leftist phrase, "bashed" ?
 
Although, to keep things in perspective, this represents less than 0.02% of the population, or one in 5,000 people.
It's true - they are making significant ground, but not as significant as they'd hope. Don't buy into Griffin's talk about how "Labour is worried we're a threat" or other nonsense.

And being such a minority that they are, I can't help feeling our effort, attention and energy is not better spent giving the current government more scrutiny, since they are ultimately the ones who make the decisions around here...
 
Well yes, that is a factual point. But were these 0.02% so unimportant, there would not exist such a movement to have them, to borrow a leftist phrase, "bashed" ?

how many members do the lib-dems have? less than 100k i'd guess. SNP are a fair size, but PC onloy have a few thou too i beleive.

so, the bnp would seem to have more members than all the other 'minor parties' in england and wales combined
 
how many members do the lib-dems have? less than 100k i'd guess. SNP are a fair size, but PC onloy have a few thou too i beleive.

so, the bnp would seem to have more members than all the other 'minor parties' in england and wales combined

And that is why I said the membership list should be a wake up call.

Earlier this month the LibDems voted on our next President, the turnout of which was "A total of 60,357 ballot papers were issued and the turnout was 47.8% (+0.4% on last time). 49 ballots were spoiled"

So our membership is higher than your figure, I do disagree with you calling us a "minor party", if that is what you were implying?

I offer you this quote from this very interesting blog to pick up on an earlier comment
The BNP may not be “one crisis away from power”, as Nick Griffin likes to boast. But with profound economic instability upon us, they may well be nearer to the hearts and minds of many more people in local areas across the country.
 
Actually, to be fair, the green party have less than 10,000 members, so perhaps the BNP figure is more significant than I imply above.

I'd imagine there are many more "secret" BNP voters than secret Green voters.
 
I do disagree with you calling us a "minor party", if that is what you were implying?

no, i meant the parties excluding your lot, labour and the tories, as i would have thought was quite obvious just from the maths involved (ie the 'minor parties' combined would be a lot bigger than the bnp if you were amongst them)
 
no, i meant the parties excluding your lot, labour and the tories, as i would have thought was quite obvious just from the maths involved (ie the 'minor parties' combined would be a lot bigger than the bnp if you were amongst them)

Yep, my bad, hands up on that one.
 
how many members do the lib-dems have? less than 100k i'd guess. SNP are a fair size, but PC onloy have a few thou too i beleive.

so, the bnp would seem to have more members than all the other 'minor parties' in england and wales combined

Of the 12,000 how many are active? How many joined for a year and then fell out? How many are family of members? Current active membership is under 6,000 judging from this.

Plaid has a current paid-up membership of about 7,500
 
"Police are investigating the possibility that the car may have been attacked because it was mistakenly thought to belong to the alleged BNP supporter."

I think we are talking "possible" fallout here. didn't the mail report this one as well?

so what

So, if this is an example of actual fallout, are you still going to say "so what"?
 
Of the 12,000 how many are active? How many joined for a year and then fell out? How many are family of members? Current active membership is under 6,000 judging from this.

Plaid has a current paid-up membership of about 7,500

over 3000 are listed as activists, might be 4, cant remember offhand. Membership, frmo that list, is over 10000, and whilst some more undoubtedly have left, more have joined too. The london membership is meant to be 900 now (according to the BNP themselves, so probably a bit less, but not that much, sadly).

Didnt realise PC had quite that many, so its only England where there are more BNP members than there are of other minor parties. That's something I suppose.
 
Any of you in Bristol?

The list of Labour party members in Bristol has just been made available.

It's all good though right?
 
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