BNP leader faces jail!!

[MrA]

Explain what?

This and this

And I asked you for your position, if I have implied that you're a BNP sympathiser and you;re not, then I'll apologise unreservedly. But you have to admit, even after I conceded the point on explicit policy you still have been vague.

So what is your position on the BNP, do you believe that the BNP do not have an agenda to repatriate non whites? I'm interested to know your views and why?

 

[butchersapron]

Explain what? Your post and someone elses?

Face it, i'm not going to add a disclaimer to my posts - you either get the sense of where i'm coming from by using your own critical faculties or you don't.

 

[trevhagl]

Makes perfect sense if you think about it. Go on.

makes perfect sense playing down the seriousness of nazi policy? Come on be honest if they ever got power do you think they would settle for VOLUNTARY repatriation? Say all the asians etc REFUSED the deal, would they just then say "oh ok, fair enough we'll leave you alone" ?

 

[butchersapron]

makes perfect sense playing down the seriousness of nazi policy? Come on be honest if they ever got power do you think they would settle for VOLUNTARY repatriation? Say all the asians etc REFUSED the deal, would they just then say "oh ok, fair enough we'll leave you alone" ?

You what?

this i always found odd esp when he supports an ex AFA party

What about my position do you not get? Given that, as you have it -"he supports an ex AFA party"? Do you think maybe my politics follow on an are linked to what you're talking about?

 

[MrA]

Explain what? Your post and someone elses?

Face it, i'm not going to add a disclaimer to my posts - you either get the sense of where i'm coming from by using your own critical faculties or you don't.

If there's genuine confusion and clarification is asked for, why be a pompous arsehole by being evasive? You came across like a high and mighty prick to me, that may be a complete misunderstanding on my part, but even when I tried to be conciliatory and ask you to help me out by giving clarification you flatly refused.

I still get the impression that you have BNP sympathies, reading your post it would be nigh on impossible to guage your position even with the best of critical faculties as you put it.

 

[butchersapron]

Evasive? Not seeing the need to give you my political history on demand is evasive? Everyone is evasive under these terms.

Not my problem if your political radar is fucked up.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm sure that prior to 1999 the BNP had a forced repatriation policy in their manifesto.

Not quite, they had the possibility of a forced repatriation programme as a concomitant of a failed voluntary repatriation programme, but it was never actually enshrined in the BNP's constitution in the way voluntary repatriation was.
That's the thing with manifestos: They're not promises.

Only open to non Brits and non commonwealth citizens though.

That was the '71 act, IIRC. I'm talking about the one Thatch did that offered money to Commonwealthers to "go home".

OK,



There's little chance of the BNP achieving power, but their policy states that they would redefine British Citizenship, they're on record on who they feel are British or not and they are on record as stating that non Brit's would be 2nd class citizens. This amounts to "encouragement" to volunteer in my view.

The point being that they can only "re-define" within the limitations of those international agreements (The EDHR and the UNDHR) that we're signatories to. Can you see any government that attempted to remove those protections wholesale being allowed to stand, either parliamentarily or extra-parliamentarily? I can't.

 

[Boppity]

Evasive? Not seeing the need to give you my political history on demand is evasive? Everyone is evasive under these terms.

Not my problem if your political radar is fucked up.

It's hardly an unreasonable request. You're acting like he's asked you for your entire medical history.

A polite enquiry into the politics of someone that you're discussing politics with makes perfect sense.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Quite right, under the BNP however even those born here would not be regarded as British.

Well, to be fair, under my benevolent dictatorship, I wouldn't regard members (past or present) or supporters of/voters for the BNP as British, and would seek to deport them to a neutral territory.

The Isle of Lundy, say.

 

[Boppity]

Well, to be fair, under my benevolent dictatorship, I wouldn't regard members (past or present) or supporters of/voters for the BNP as British, and would seek to deport them to a neutral territory.

The Isle of Lundy, say.

I knew a BNP supporter who told me that since I am mixed race, I (and all other 'ambiguously' mixed people) should be repatriated to Sierra Leone.

 

[butchersapron]

It's hardly an unreasonable request. You're acting like he's asked you for your entire medical history.

A polite enquiry into the politics of someone that you're discussing politics with makes perfect sense.

Nope, i don't need to produce bona fides on demand.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The BNP wishes to return the ethnic makeup of the British Isles to that prior to 1948. Therefore my position is that recent means back to 1948.

By 1948 we'd had North African, sub-Saharan African, East African and West African, Canton and Manchu Chinese, West Indian, Laskar and Malay communities (small, to be sure) in Britain for at least 100 years.
The BNP are, and ever shall be, ahistoric fuckwits.

 

[Boppity]

Nope, i don't need to produce bona fides on demand.

I didn't say you were obliged to respond, just that his request wasn't as unreasonable as you're making it out to be.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You were too easy.....

I don't know if you are secretly pro BNP, but you sure have an odd way of showing that you're not.

Night night it's late here.

You shouldn't take argument against incorrect assertions as indications of support for what is being argued. That way lies primary-school playground fights.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It is easy to see where that p.o.v. can come from though isn't it.

All you seem to do is big up their policy and say how effective they are.

It is not suprising when you read it to assume that you are an apologist for them, as you keep the ANTI BNP part so very well hidden.

The idea, when deploying a scalpel to surgically dissect an opponent, is not, as you appear to have done, to start with stabbing yourself with the aforementioned scalpel.

Oy fucking vey. The meshuggas is strong in this one!

 

[butchersapron]

I didn't say you were obliged to respond, just that his request wasn't as unreasonable as you're making it out to be.

So what? I choose not to respond and thusly highligh the nature of such idicoy. Show me your ID card.

Prove to me that you're not BNP Do fuck off.

 

[LLETSA]

Posts of yours such as this one;
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=10177145&postcount=76

This post, found without much effort, is your typical non committal description of their policy. You do not condemn it, you describe it. I do not think that is radical at all. It certainly is not opposed to the BNP policy IN THAT POST OF YOURS is it?

Now, I admit we need to know what they ARE saying but I do not think such lack of opposition to them helps at all.

I've said similar things before, merely reflecting what the BNP are saying and bigging it up (not only you) is not radical politics. 'Bigging it up' here is a descriptive term I use to label 'non oppositional description of the BNP and saying how effective the BNP are' when I see it.

The BNP are cunts and need to be told so through megaphones all the time.

Is that better?

 

[Pickman's model]

Well sure, but is the right way just to parrot their manifesto at face value?

Griffin has softened the party line to widen their appeal. Is that evidence that his ultimate aims have actually changed to those stated on the manifesto? Did the Tories mention that they were planning on breaking the unions via the miner's strike on their manifesto? I'd say caricatures are pretty helpful in reminding us of where people truly sit on the political landscape. Manifestos are a toned down veneer.

right. so the bnp are a party where we all know what they want to do and their public pronouncements on their policies are therefore absolutely worthless.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Jesus did indeed weep, sobbing about left arrogance.

No, he wept because some establishment cock-suckers had got their imperialist buddies to give him a prolonged execution.

Really, doctor, ignoring the established literature to make a rather cheap political point should be beneath you.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

I see the standard of debate here has hardly improved, thus justifying my decision to post very little (if at all). There is a complex and sophisticated debate to be had about the relationship between BNP policy statements and their core ideology, and Griffin's 'war of position'. Sadly, the very fact this thread has descended into inane know-nothings asking Butcher's Apron to 'prove' he is not a fascist tells me all I need to know about the capacity of U75 to entertain serious reasoned debate. Or not...As you were,...

 

[ViolentPanda]

I just got the impression he was trying to score cheap points to "win" some kind of forum contest.

IMO it's less about "cheap points" and more about trying to ensure that incorrect "mythologies" about what is or isn't BNP policy aren't perpetuated. Now, Mr. Apron may be slightly D) less tolerant than me in terms of his expecting people to actually find out the facts rather than believe the fiction (I'm happy to "spoon-feed" people if they need it, probably because the combination of beta-blockers and "heavy artillery" opiates I'm prescribed keep me mellow ), but just about the last thing he's doing is "scoring points".

 

[ViolentPanda]

Hang on, you accuse me of being a BNP supporter after i had to point out to you that you were wrong about BNP policy and somehow i'm in the wrong? You call me a racist and i'm the one whose has to make amends?

Sind Sie oder haben Sie schon einmal ein Anhänger der ButchersFascismus?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I knew a BNP supporter who told me that since I am mixed race, I (and all other 'ambiguously' mixed people) should be repatriated to Sierra Leone.

Showing, once again, what ignorant tossers some racists are, as one can't be repatriated to a country unless one has actually come from there in the first place.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Hang on, you accuse me of being a BNP supporter after i had to point out to you that you were wrong about BNP policy and somehow i'm in the wrong? You call me a racist and i'm the one whose has to make amends?

I wonder why?

 

[butchersapron]

Maybe i am BNP - maybe i'm a sleeper?

 

[MrA]

Nope, i don't need to produce bona fides on demand.

Drama fucking queen. What's the point of discussion on a discussion board then?

 

[TremulousTetra]

Their recent mini manifesto doesn't "appear" to support forcible repatriation, however there is plenty of underlying evidence to show that they do, their last full manifesto is explicit on the cirtizenship of non whites and their 1997 manifesto is explicit on the forcible repatriation of non whites.

And as YI Otter has posted, Nick is on record as saying that this is ultimate agenda.


Let me ask you a question, I've been reviewing some of your old threads and posts regarding the BNP they appear to be neutral at best.

What is your position regarding the BNP? Just so I know what I'm dealing with.

plenty of underlying evidence
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=295431&page=2

 

[The Black Hand]

It's far more arrogant to presume everyone but you is too thick to follow an argument without subtitles. A post on what the content of BNP policy actually is will be either right or wrong regardless of the motivations for making it; if you want to add analysis in your own comment go ahead, but the idea you can't make a statement of fact without some auto da fe to accompany is bollocks IMO.

But then, your dry ultra left politics doesn't do 'human' does it.

 

[butchersapron]

Drama fucking queen. What's the point of discussion on a discussion board then?

To discuss things. Don't see why i need to prove to you that i'm not BNP -and i won't. Esp after you went through my bins.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Drama fucking queen. What's the point of discussion on a discussion board then?

Wasting your breath on this sectarian.