BNP leader faces jail!!

[butchersapron]

You argued the BNP position is compuslory expulsion of non whites whilst demonstrating that it's not. Stop picking at it.

 

[Tacita]

You argued the BNP position is compuslory expulsion of non whites whilst demonstrating that it's not. Stop picking at it.

but that's what he does, he did it on the housing thread. It's a classic troll.

 

[MrA]

You argued the BNP position is compuslory expulsion of non whites whilst demonstrating that it's not. Stop picking at it.

It is exactly what I said it was, compulsory.

So tell me, as you see yourself as something of an expert, why have a volunatary scheme? IF one exists already and why review British citizenship?

We'll move onto the removal of rights for non Brit's as defined by the BNP in moment,

*hint, the lever to encourage non whites to repatriate

 

[butchersapron]

No, it's not. As you've demonstrated.

 

[trevhagl]

the BNP on immigration are like New Labour on ID Cards - if they didn't get what they want by 'voluntary' means you can bet your house they would do it by compulsion

 

[MrA]

No, it's not. As you've demonstrated.

Lets play your game.

1. If I redefine your citizenship.
2. Remove your rights as a citizen.
3. Spread selective lies about Asian and Black crime, creating hatred.

Would this be tantamount to coersion?

 

[MrA]

but that's what he does, he did it on the housing thread. It's a classic troll.

You could have proved in on the other thread, you didn't so shut the fuck up.

 

[MrA]

No, it's not. As you've demonstrated.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8011878.stm

Care to explain this?

 

[butchersapron]

Why should i? You're googling desperate.

 

[Blagsta]

You could have proved in on the other thread, you didn't so shut the fuck up.

lol


give it up, you're out of your depth. Again.

 

[Y_I_Otter]

I think Griffin made the party's plan quite clear when he addressed a conference of American naz-- I mean, 'White Nationalists':

There’s a difference between selling out your ideas and selling your ideas. And the BNP isn’t about selling out its ideas, which are your ideas, too, but we are determined now to sell them. That means basically to use the saleable words. As I say, freedom, security, identity, democracy. Nobody can criticize them. Nobody can come at you and attack you on those ideas. They are saleable.

...

Perhaps one day, once—by being rather more subtle—we’ve got ourselves in a position where we control the British broadcasting media, the British people might change their mind and say, ‘Yes, every last one must go.’

Sounds fairly straight-forward to me what the party's long-term goals consist of and how they mean to achieve them.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Some people have openly admited as much to me and I'm mixed race, they genuinely believe that they and the BNP aren't racist until I point out their policies regarding British Citizenship and non white expulsion , they have no idea that the BNP have these policies.

The BNP's policy is "voluntary repatriation" with financial inducements, IIRC. Something the Tories tried to sell back in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

 

[butchersapron]

Lets play your game.

1. If I redefine your citizenship.
2. Remove your rights as a citizen.
3. Spread selective lies about Asian and Black crime, creating hatred.

Would this be tantamount to coersion?

You ignore that any citizenship being investigated would be 'recent'.You fucked your self.

 

[MrA]

Why should i? You're googling desperate.

Then you've offered nothing.

What I aim to demonstrate is that the policy stated by the BNP as voluntary repatriation contradicts other aspects of the BNP manifesto. Maybe you don;t get that.

The link provided is an accurate account on who Nick believes are British, and I could also link to previous BNP policies on repatriation and non white status.

 

[The39thStep]

the BNP on immigration are like New Labour on ID Cards - if they didn't get what they want by 'voluntary' means you can bet your house they would do it by compulsion

whats wrong with ID cards?

 

[The39thStep]

Then you've offered nothing.

What I aim to demonstrate is that the policy stated by the BNP as voluntary repatriation contradicts other aspects of the BNP manifesto. Maybe you don;t get that.

The link provided is an accurate account on who Nick believes are British, and I could also link to previous BNP policies on repatriation and non white status.

we all make mistakes , just admit that you were wrong and move on

 

[MrA]

The BNP's policy is "voluntary repatriation" with financial inducements, IIRC. Something the Tories tried to sell back in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

Quite right, and the home office policy clearly states;

1. General
1.1 Section 29 of the Immigration Act 1971 enables financial assistance to be given towards the travel costs of persons (if this in their best interests) who are neither:
• British citizens, nor
• Commonwealth citizens with the right of abode under s.2(1)(b) of the 1971
Act, as amended by s.39(1) of the British Nationality Act 1981, and who
• wish to leave the country permanently

So there's a hint of suspicion regarding the BNP redefinition of Britishness.

 

[butchersapron]

Then you've offered nothing.

What I aim to demonstrate is that the policy stated by the BNP as voluntary repatriation contradicts other aspects of the BNP manifesto. Maybe you don;t get that.

The link provided is an accurate account on who Nick believes are British, and I could also link to previous BNP policies on repatriation and non white status.

You said the BNP has a policy of complusory expulsion of non-whites. We demonstrated (with your help) that they don't.

 

[MrA]

we all make mistakes , just admit that you were wrong and move on

Show me where I was wrong?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes they do

The BNP’s policy is to:

You're doing their work for them by misrepresenting them.
As I'm sure you're aware, when they say "deport illegals" they mean all illegals, regardless of skin colour, just as when they say "Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British" they mean a system like the Yanks, where any foreign national, regardless of their "race", can be deported once they've served their sentence. The UK already does this for illegals who've committed criminal acts, by the way.
Also, as I've said previously, the whole "financial inducements to leave isn't even their baby, it's a tory one that is still, I believe, on the statute books from nigh on 20 years ago.

Misrepresenting them as some sort of uniquely evil organisation is foolish. Expose them for cunts by all means, but do so with accuracy or they can make political capital out of such misrepresentations.

 

[butchersapron]

Quite right, and the home office policy clearly states;

1. General
1.1 Section 29 of the Immigration Act 1971 enables financial assistance to be given towards the travel costs of persons (if this in their best interests) who are neither:
• British citizens, nor
• Commonwealth citizens with the right of abode under s.2(1)(b) of the 1971
Act, as amended by s.39(1) of the British Nationality Act 1981, and who
• wish to leave the country permanently

So there's a hint of suspicion regarding the BNP redefinition of Britishness.

.and how nmay RECENT awardees do you think this covers? You fucked yourself.

 

[MrA]

You ignore that any citizenship being investigated would be 'recent'.You fucked your self.

Recent is a moot point, blacks and asians aren't British.

 

[butchersapron]

Recent is a moot point, blacks and asians aren't British.

It's not moot it's central. And it's what you fucked up on.

 

[MrA]

You're doing their work for them by misrepresenting them.
As I'm sure you're aware, when they say "deport illegals" they mean all illegals, regardless of skin colour, just as when they say "Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British" they mean a system like the Yanks, where any foreign national, regardless of their "race", can be deported once they've served their sentence. The UK already does this for illegals who've committed criminal acts, by the way.
Also, as I've said previously, the whole "financial inducements to leave isn't even their baby, it's a tory one that is still, I believe, on the statute books from nigh on 20 years ago.

Misrepresenting them as some sort of uniquely evil organisation is foolish. Expose them for cunts by all means, but do so with accuracy or they can make political capital out of such misrepresentations.

I can clealry see that the policy as written states, "voluntary" with financial inducements, perhaps I would have been better served by accepting this and then moving on to show that I believe it is a cover for another agenda.

I do get bogged down in semantics sometimes.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It is exactly what I said it was, compulsory.

You'd be better off knowing your history.
Griffin's BNP hasn't had a policy of "compulsory expulsion of non-whites". Even Tyndall's BNP didn't, given that both incarnations wanted to get rid of "wops", "dagoes", "spics" and "yids" as well as those from the African and Indian continents and the West Indies.
IIRC the NF were the last fascist group to have a policy that explicitly called for the forcible repatriation of non-whites, and even they never closely defined what they actually mean by "non-white".

So tell me, as you see yourself as something of an expert, why have a volunatary scheme? IF one exists already and why review British citizenship?

Two issues:
1) There's already a voluntary scheme, and it's rather pathetic. It was originally funded to cover around five figures' worth of applicants per year, but has only ever reached a couple of thousand in any year, and tends only to do so because it's a cheap way of getting your household goods shipped "back home" for those planning to do so anyway for their retirement!
2) They can't review recent grants of citizenship. There's no mechanism to do so, and under the ECHR any political party would have a hard job legislating one.

We'll move onto the removal of rights for non Brit's as defined by the BNP in moment,

*hint, the lever to encourage non whites to repatriate

It's not compulsory, and any "encouragement" that exceeds legislative bounds is actionable.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I thought that the BNP had some token black members. Who were all for Britain for those born in Britain get rid of these immigrants etc.

Or did I just imagine it?

ETA: Sorry it was the National Front not BNP.

Which rather goes against their beloved chant of "the National Front is a white man's front...". )

 

[ViolentPanda]

the BNP on immigration are like New Labour on ID Cards - if they didn't get what they want by 'voluntary' means you can bet your house they would do it by compulsion

nly within the bounds of law, unless they want the humiliation of being shown up before the European Court of Human Rights at every turn, even in the case of non-British nationals.

 

[Tacita]

I can clealry see that the policy as written states, "voluntary" with financial inducements, perhaps I would have been better served by accepting this and then moving on to show that I believe it is a cover for another agenda.

I do get bogged down in semantics sometimes.

thank fuck for that

 

[TremulousTetra]

BNP What did your last slave die of?

thankyou.

ps. Lemierre's disease.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Recent is a moot point, blacks and asians aren't British.

In most cases if they're not born in the UK they're Commonwealth citizens, and if they're born here they are British, as unlike France and Germany, we haven't been quite so active in withholding subject-hood/citizenship from people born here whose parents legally reside here.