BNP leader faces jail!!

[MrA]

Won't happen!

You're probably right. My initial enthusiasm for his incarceration has somewhat diminished after reading some of the comments.

My bonfire has been pee'd on.

 

[The Black Hand]

You're probably right. My initial enthusiasm for his incarceration has somewhat diminished after reading some of the comments.

My bonfire has been pee'd on.

Quite, the ultra leftists take away any enthusiasm for politics and replace it with depression. There is something wrong when they do this repeatedly...

AS it goes, I think Griffin in prison would be good. I cannot see it helping the BNP at all (less cash from his 'job' etc). As for doing his credibility good by Griffin being in prison. ONLY among a certain very small section of the population, and those predisposed to thinking the BNP actually have anything to say.

 

[williammartin]

In my experience (which is from about '77 onward) the majority don't..

My experience in the last 18 months is an ever increasing number of people seem to be prepared to openly state that they are going to vote BNP at the next general election.
(Quite why I have no idea, because in normal circumstances all they have wanted to do in the past is get ratarsed and chill for the weekend and not mention politics.)
They are not the stereotypical "knuckle draggers" either.

 

[audiotech]

Patient argument and an alternative may dissuade them. Either that, or stating that the BNP get a lot of support from the old bill works I find, but it all depends who you're talking to?


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[ViolentPanda]

My experience in the last 18 months is an ever increasing number of people seem to be prepared to openly state that they are going to vote BNP at the next general election.

Which again mirrors the situation in the late 1970s into the early 1980s with the NF. In terms of pre-electoral polling and anecdotal opinion for '79, and even to some extent in '83, the NF appeared to have a fairly large constituency, based on people "openly stating" an intention to vote for them. It didn't however, materialise, not least because of the co-opting of policy by the tories, but also because some people, "in the cold light of day", couldn't bring themselves to vote for such people.
Griffin does have an "advantage" in that the BNP's current politics aren't as race-based as the NF's were, so he can sell the BNP's "nationalism" over their supremacism, but he may very well still have the problems that did for the NF, at least in terms of the coming GE. Not that he'll necessarily mind that, as I suspect he'd be happy just to consolidate the current position.

(Quite why I have no idea, because in normal circumstances all they have wanted to do in the past is get ratarsed and chill for the weekend and not mention politics.)
They are not the stereotypical "knuckle draggers" either.

Sounds like the archetypal "protest vote", where people can't quite bring themselves to abstain from voting, so vote wildly for a party they believe has no chance.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The issues turning folk towards the BNP aren't poverty and housing though, but immigration. It has been argued on here (even by yourself) that the core BNP vote is from the lower middle classes who don't generally have problems with housing or face poverty like the w/c do.

I'd argue that they in some cases do but that it's of a different type than the issues that people like myself have, in that their issues with poverty and housing aren't based so much on the insecurity of their position as the insecurity of their self-image and self-belief. Almost a return to the Victorian-era dread of not being able to put the right face on for the world rather than fear of the workhouse.

Most people I know of who are suddenly championing the BNP tend to know very little about politics but follow the line of no more immigration = vote BNP.

Weirdly, the areas where I've experienced this attitude have been rural rather than urban. Perhaps my estate just has a larger than average quota of well-integrated human beings!

 

[LLETSA]

Quite, the ultra leftists take away any enthusiasm for politics and replace it with depression. There is something wrong when they do this repeatedly...

AS it goes, I think Griffin in prison would be good. I cannot see it helping the BNP at all (less cash from his 'job' etc). As for doing his credibility good by Griffin being in prison. ONLY among a certain very small section of the population, and those predisposed to thinking the BNP actually have anything to say.

Yes indeed. Calling on the state to imprison Nick Griffin is clearly the height of working class political consciousness.

 

[The39thStep]

Yes indeed. Calling on the state to imprison Nick Griffin is clearly the height of working class political consciousness.

the alternative course of action argued by the same poster was to bring some fictitious mob in to do Griffin over.

 

[LLETSA]

the alternative course of action argued by the same poster was to bring some fictitious mob in to do Griffin over.

Anything to stave off ultra-left induced depression.

 

[MrA]

My experience in the last 18 months is an ever increasing number of people seem to be prepared to openly state that they are going to vote BNP at the next general election.
(Quite why I have no idea, because in normal circumstances all they have wanted to do in the past is get ratarsed and chill for the weekend and not mention politics.)
They are not the stereotypical "knuckle draggers" either.

Some people have openly admited as much to me and I'm mixed race, they genuinely believe that they and the BNP aren't racist until I point out their policies regarding British Citizenship and non white expulsion , they have no idea that the BNP have these policies.

 

[butchersapron]

They don't have a policy of non-white expulsion.

 

[MrA]

Yes indeed. Calling on the state to imprison Nick Griffin is clearly the height of working class political consciousness.

The state? He may rightly go to prison for falling foul of the law.

 

[MrA]

They don't have a policy of non-white expulsion.

Yes they do

The BNP’s policy is to:

- Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;

- Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;

- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;

- Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently;

- Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases;

- Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain.

The British National Party exists to secure a future for the indigenous peoples of these islands in the North Atlantic which have been our homeland for millennia.

We use the term indigenous to describe the people whose ancestors were the earliest settlers here after the last great Ice Age and which have been complemented by the historic migrations from mainland Europe.

 

[The39thStep]

Yes they do

The BNP’s policy is to:

where is the bit about non white expulsion?

 

[LLETSA]

The state? He may rightly go to prison for falling foul of the law.

Would that be the law that the state is in charge of seeing is upheld?

 

[butchersapron]

Originally Posted by scumsuckers
- Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;

- Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;

- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;

- Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently;

- Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases;

- Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain.

Quote:Originally Posted by scumsuckers
The British National Party exists to secure a future for the indigenous peoples of these islands in the North Atlantic which have been our homeland for millennia.

We use the term indigenous to describe the people whose ancestors were the earliest settlers here after the last great Ice Age and which have been complemented by the historic migrations from mainland Europe.

Yes they do

The BNP’s policy is to:

So no they don't. Nothing in that says that they have a policy of compulsory non-white expulsion

They have a policy of voluntary repatriation in line with long standing Home office plans.

 

[MrA]

So no they don't. Nothing in that says that they have a policy of compulsory non-white expulsion

They have a policy of voluntary repatriation in line with long standing Home office plans.

Really? You can't see it?

They describe Britons as indigenous to these Isles or migrated from mainland Europe. That's white people isn't it? Answer=yes

Then they state

- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;

Given the statement above what would you deduce from that?

Have you actually read the links? Do you know anything about the BNP at all?

 

[The39thStep]

Really? You can't see it?

They describe Britons as indigenous to these Isles or migrated from mainland Europe. That's white people isn't it? Answer=yes

Then they state

- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;

Given the statement above what would you deduce from that?

Have you actually read the links? Do you know anything about the BNP at all?

I think you are confusing them with another far right group

 

[butchersapron]

They're made it explicitly clear that forcible/compulsory repatriation is a fantasy. Yes, i do know a fair few things about the BNP - this included. You might want to choose better ground...

 

[MrA]

I think you are confusing them with another far right group

It's quoted from the BNP website. The confusion must be yours.

They're made it explicitly clear that forcible/compulsory repatriation is a fantasy. Yes, i do know a fair few things about the BNP - this included. You might want to choose better ground...

No I won't it's explicit in their website I can't see a line that states that all the above policies are fantasies. If they are why aren't they removed?

 

[butchersapron]

It's not. Even offering grants to people to leave admits this. You won't win this one.

 

[MrA]

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[MrA]

It's not. Even offering grants to people to leave admits this. You won't win this one.

The original BNP policy was of forced repatriation, yes? Then it was changed after a poor election showing to "voluntary".
Now, why have a voluntary scheme when many non whites are settled here and many have well paid jobs and are very much British by nature and culture? Why review who is British and whether it is applicable under the definition of "indigenous British or European descent"?
Why make comparisons to India Pakistan and Saudi Arabia not "wanting" whites or Christians in their counties?

This, coupled with lies about non white crime and Islamification locally creates hatred, so would you say there's another agenda?

And please, don't patronise me regarding winning this one, it's you who are on dodgy ground.

 

[butchersapron]

No, you're wrong -you're wrong on actual policy and interpretation of policy. You, once again, emphasise this when you highlight

Then they state

- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;

What does recent mean? How many black people does that apply to? Fuck all.

 

[Gromit]

I thought that the BNP had some token black members. Who were all for Britain for those born in Britain get rid of these immigrants etc.

Or did I just imagine it?

ETA: Sorry it was the National Front not BNP.

 

[MrA]

No, you're wrong -you're wrong on actual policy and interpretation of policy. You, once again, emphasise this when you highlight



What does recent mean? How many black people does that apply to? Fuck all.

You'd have to ask Cyclops, but looking at their policies he's prepared to define British from the end of the last ice age, before British was even concieved . So left as it is it could be 40 to 50 years.

And why did you mention black people? So unless you have a BNP definition of recent, you are still on dodgy ground.

 

[butchersapron]

You're wrong pal. Back pedal all you like.

 

[trevhagl]

So no they don't. Nothing in that says that they have a policy of compulsory non-white expulsion

They have a policy of voluntary repatriation in line with long standing Home office plans.

and you trust em!!!!

 

[MrA]

and you trust em!!!!

Have you seen the home office guidelines? I have and Butchersapron clearly hasn't.

 

[MrA]

You're wrong pal. Back pedal all you like.

What? My position hasn't changed and yet you offer, well, nothing.