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BNP leader faces jail!!

before you ask.

You're not too good at understanding sarcasm, obviously, or you'd realise that what knotted posted can be read as saying that you can't possibly be sectarian because you're unable to make political arguments or in fact any arguments at all.
But hey, if you're cool with actually citing that, I am too.
 
ok.
Mk12 makes a statement.
mk12 makes that point on post #242.
ask him to clarify who
You make ask that on post #245.
he names me
mk12 replies on post # 246
you agree
You've quoted me saying "yup". That was in post #310.

Guess what, folks?
In post #310 I'm replying to mk12's post #242, not his post #246.

I've quoted the post numbers so that those who are so minded can see for themselves that the only way rmp3 can come near any "evidence" that I said what he claims is by falsely posting that my reply to one post was a reply to another.
It's all there for everyone to see.
 
mk12 makes that point on post #242.

You make ask that on post #245.

mk12 replies on post # 246

You've quoted me saying "yup". That was in post #310.

Guess what, folks?
In post #310 I'm replying to mk12's post #242, not his post #246.

I've quoted the post numbers so that those who are so minded can see for themselves that the only way rmp3 can come near any "evidence" that I said what he claims is by falsely posting that my reply to one post was a reply to another.
It's all there for everyone to see.
don't av a problem with that. that's why i gave you the links. you've clarified what i said appeared to be a lie me, appears to be was said several times. i have no way of no way of knowing whether you argreed with mk12 intention in 242, until you answer.

however, what about mr a? attica? anyone? again it's question several people have, who acutualy called butch a fascist. [i've noticed if you don't put a worm on the hook you never get an answer.]
 
butchers does indeed know a great deal about fascism. so what, though? i also know a great deal about it. and think we have to be vigilant against its rise, particularly when "the ideological cockroach" is in forms that it may not be immediately obvious what it is. knowing about something doesnt mean you agree with that thing. in fact, posters like VP and the like probably know more about fascism than do the majority of, for example, moderators on stormfront
 
The trick is understanding why moderate people would consider voting for a fascist party. Understanding fascism, whilst it helps, is only part of the solution imo.
 
butchers does indeed know a great deal about fascism. so what, though? i also know a great deal about it. and think we have to be vigilant against its rise, particularly when "the ideological cockroach" is in forms that it may not be immediately obvious what it is. knowing about something doesnt mean you agree with that thing. in fact, posters like VP and the like probably know more about fascism than do the majority of, for example, moderators on stormfront
and? so what? whats the conclusion m8?
 
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don't av a problem with that. that's why i gave you the links. you've clarified what i said appeared to be a lie me, appears to be was said several times. i have no way of no way of knowing whether you argreed with mk12 intention in 242, until you answer.
So let's "clarify" by all means.
You're admitting that you posted a selection of posts by yourself and others that was deliberately intended to give the impression I was replying to one post when I was actually replying to another, in an attempt to clarify a lie about you?
Oy fucking vey but the dumb-fuckedness is strong in this one! :facepalm:
however, what about mr a? attica? anyone? again it's question several people have, who acutualy called butch a fascist. [i've noticed if you don't put a worm on the hook you never get an answer.]
Wibble wibble, jibber jabber. Comprehensible and relevant sentences please, not the sound of your bowel evacuating transcribed into words.
 
The trick is understanding why moderate people would consider voting for a fascist party. Understanding fascism, whilst it helps, is only part of the solution imo.

Not really, it's part and parcel of the same thing. You have to understand the one to be able to understand the other, otherwise you can't present a reasoned alternative.
 
So let's "clarify" by all means.
You're admitting that you posted a selection of posts by yourself and others that was deliberately intended to give the impression I was replying to one post when I was actually replying to another, in an attempt to clarify a lie about you?
Oy fucking vey but the dumb-fuckedness is strong in this one! :facepalm:
nope.
Wibble wibble, jibber jabber. Comprehensible and relevant sentences please, not the sound of your bowel evacuating transcribed into words.
did anyone call butch a fascist.
 
A) Well let's face it, misinterpretation/misrepresentation of Marx's oeuvre by people wanting to use his work in support of their own ends is hardly a new game, is it?

B) Personally, I've found that if I selectively quote words and phrases from The Communist Manifesto, On The Paris Commune and Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right, then you can get Marx to say "The Black Hand is the opium of the masses". ;)


A) Me and all the other Hegelian Marxists eh VP. I am in good company.

No VP, it is not misrepresentation, it is a position (you lot just have a different one), entirely in the critical Marxist tradition and not in the orthodox one (and that includes the ultra left).

B) The point I have made is clear, I have explained in a clear way for any independent people to see, to make their own mind up.

You lot just gang up and back slap in a particularly nauseating way at any excuse, its pathetic. Its certainly not open nor critical.
 
You lot just gang up and back slap in a particularly nauseating way at any excuse, its pathetic. Its certainly not open nor critical.

Has it ever occurred to you that if more than one person holds an opinion of you that's less than flattering, that it might be due to what you post, and not because people are ganging up on you?

Probably not, eh?
 
Not really, it's part and parcel of the same thing. You have to understand the one to be able to understand the other, otherwise you can't present a reasoned alternative.

People who could be swayed to vote BNP wouldn't understand fascism beyond knowing that it's just "bad" and linked in some way to racism. Most don't know if the BNP are truly racist or facist because they have no exposure to BNP policies or their leadership histories.
All they see or hear are the snippets in the media that give the impression that the BNP stand for British culture, British tradition and Bristish jobs. How many would think that was a bad platform to stand on? How many would view it as racist or fascist? As Otter pointed out earlier in this thread, all methods of opposition to the BNP are valid, one doesn't trump another.

I'd like to understand the root cause and not the sympton of why people would even consider supporting the BNP.
 
People who could be swayed to vote BNP wouldn't understand fascism beyond knowing that it's just "bad" and linked in some way to racism. Most don't know if the BNP are truly racist or facist because they have no exposure to BNP policies or their leadership histories.
All they see or hear are the snippets in the media that give the impression that the BNP stand for British culture, British tradition and Bristish jobs. How many would think that was a bad platform to stand on? How many would view it as racist or fascist? As Otter pointed out earlier in this thread, all methods of opposition to the BNP are valid, one doesn't trump another.

I'd like to understand the root cause and not the sympton of why people would even consider supporting the BNP.
from what you've said in this post it's because they're thick.

eg: 'People who could be swayed to vote BNP wouldn't understand fascism beyond knowing that it's just "bad" and linked in some way to racism'

and you follow this up with utter bilge. eg: 'All they see or hear are the snippets in the media that give the impression that the BNP stand for British culture, British tradition and Bristish jobs.' but we've already established that every mainstream media outlet has described them as racists. you've said before that if i could provide proof of your mendacity you'd be on your way. while i doubt you'll sling your hook, your claim about snippets in the media is a clear lie.
 
Has it ever occurred to you that if more than one person holds an opinion of you that's less than flattering, that it might be due to what you post, and not because people are ganging up on you?

Probably not, eh?

Give over, that's just bullshit and you know it is.

I quite like people who are open to discussing things, and that is certainly NOT the experience on U75.
'My way or the highway' is certainly the dominant characteristic of these ultra lefties, the example on this thread is a good one.

There is no experimentation or exploration of what politics actually is, it is just the application of preconceived prejeudices, and it is going nowhere and it has gone nowhere for years. How long will the tired ultra lefties keep this up? Unfortunately if experience is anything to go on, way too long. Its a big all round FAIL.

A few years ago the tired lefties came onto U75 and just do the same thing over and over again. Its very sad. That you have joined the lizards is even more sad.
 
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