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It's truthfully descriptive language, unlike the pretty little farm pictures on many meat products.
'Bleeding' vegan burger is an 'existential threat' to beef' whines NZ MP
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Medium rare burgers is a massive thing in the UK. Unfortunately many chain-type establishments will insist on serving burgers medium to well done for food safety reasons because less rigorous hygiene standards need to be maintained. There are however still quite a few smaller, independant eateries, who are meticulous and confident enough in their standards to serve medium/rare burgers.
Grace Johnson
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From my own experience I think we have a bit of cognitive dissonance going on regarding eating meat. I noticed myself when I was changing my diet. The thing that got me was fostering animals and genuinely bonding with them. I was like well I could never eat this dog, it is defo my mate in some way. How I am OK with eating other animals? It was really wierd.
I used to love meat and I still kind of miss a really good steak or a bacon buttie but when I started examining my beliefs about something just clicked and I didn't see it as food anymore. There's no way I could eat it.
So yeah that was my experience with it like. Not disgusted as such. It's just not food anymore iyswim.
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Also, if we’re going to try to be accurate, there’s no blood involved. The pink in the juices is from myoglobin.
The legume-based haem in the Impossible burger is meant to emulate this, and also to produce a Maillard reaction when cooking to give it that nice browned umaminess on the outside.
The legume-based haem in the Impossible burger is meant to emulate this, and also to produce a Maillard reaction when cooking to give it that nice browned umaminess on the outside.
Grace Johnson
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Ah OK. I have never seen it. Must have been after I stopped eating meat. Is it a more recent thing with the rise in the popularity of them?
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littlebabyjesus
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Yes, the smiling pigs on a packet of sausages are rather weird. Like the Hitchhiker's Guide pig, showing off his best cuts before going off to shoot himself. Arthur Dent is horrified, and I guess the point being made is that you shouldn't be - far better to be eating a pig that wants you to eat it.
Still, your anatomically accurate descriptions are intended to have a certain effect.
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Grace Johnson
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I meant it in terms of protein per calorie. In order to get x grams of protein from meat you will consume a lot more calories than getting it from a plant based source.
The first time I had a rare burger was in the late 1970s.
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Edit: In answer to Grace Johnson
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I think the popularity has always been there amongst meat eaters. It was only a few years ago (perhaps 10?) when restaurants started refusing to serve burgers rare. The reason for it is that the meat is minced which massively increases its surface area and makes it far more susceptible to bacterial infection. In a sterile environment or one where the meat is minced and immediately cooked that isn't a problem, but in high turnover, large scale kitchen operations it's far more tricky, hence the likelihood of rare/medium minced-meat products only being available in smaller places.
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No, you won’t. This is almost exactly the wrong way round.
Not saying that’s a problem, though - you can get plenty of protein with a veg*n diet well within normal amounts of calories.
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If its anatomically correct what's the problem? It's not exaggerated. It's just the fact of what it is. It's the body of an animal that's been chopped up. How else would you describe it?
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It's really not. Give me a minute and I will do the sums on a few prime examples.
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New one on me, I must admit. This chap is rather unhappy about the claim, and points out that not all proteins are equal wrt nutrition.
“Broccoli has more protein than steak”—and other crap
8ball
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Broccoli is really great for you (has a lot of the things that omnis get from
milk). Just not so great for protein.
Grace Johnson
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It's kind of true about the proteins. Different proteins have different strings of amino acids. Meat will tend to have the complete chain that humans need. Soya, quinoa and hemp do as well though. Plus the fact that the amino acids aren't complete is easily over come by combing 2 or more foods like rice and lentils for example which is omething you would typically do in a meal anyway.
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Just balancing the books with the reality of what's in that tasty meat dish. And why shouldn't I?
Grace Johnson
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It's not really that bad either. It's got about 20 percent less than beef per 100g. About 8 grams per 100 I think. Beef is about 10 depending on the cut. That is considerably less than lean chicken tho tbf. Lean chicken breast is about 30 grams per 100.
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Yep, rice and beans (or basically grains and legumes) is a good combo that emerges in a huge number of cuisines for good reason (one lacks methionine, the other valine, I think - put them together, though and you’re sorted).
But you don’t need the full amino acid profile in every single meal so long as you’re generally covered.
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It’s pretty good overall for a vegetable, but the amino acid profile is a bit ‘spiky’.
You’d live a lot longer on only steak than you would on only broccoli, I think (with a touch of scurvy tbf).
You can live for a really long time on just potatoes, though you wouldn’t be exactly full of vim and vigour.
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That's probably true I reckon. If it came to survival basis your probably better sticking to the meat if you have to pick one or the other. Mind you there's probably some kind of grain or bean that would be the optimum choice if you could only eat one thing forever like.
Potato skins are actually quite nutrient dense I was reading. Might be better off just scranning the skins.
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That's probably true I reckon. If it came to survival basis your probably better sticking to the meat if you have to pick one or the other. Mind you there's probably some kind of grain or bean that would be the optimum choice if you could only eat one thing forever like.
Potato skins are actually quite nutrient dense I was reading. Might be better off just scranning the skins.
Your problem with potatoes is they’re a bit toxic in really large amounts (solanine, which protects them from insects), and you’d have way too much potassium. And not enough vitamin A. But if your kidneys are really healthy and you don’t mind going blind it might be worth a shot.
Brockley is generally crap though. I mean you have to do so much to it to make it taste nice. If it’s the world burning down or living of Brockley. Fuck the world frankly.
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Broccoli and marmite is a slightly weird favourite of mine.
As you deliberately tried, you couldn’t have come up with a worse dish. If I wasoffered that, the daggers the look I would give. I
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It’s not so much a ‘dish’ as something I discovered when the cupboards were bare tbf.
