joustmaster
offcumdun
Peta. One of the worst groups in the world.
But I was joking about actually wanting a link.
'Bleeding' vegan burger is an 'existential threat' to beef' whines NZ MP
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But I was joking about actually wanting a link.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Indeed. Which is why I won't be engaging with it.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
Personally I look forward to trying a veg whopper w. cheese.
After the riot of press and publicity and the customers expressing enjoyment over vegan sausage rolls it's surely a race to get the first functional vegan burger in a fast food outlet.
After the riot of press and publicity and the customers expressing enjoyment over vegan sausage rolls it's surely a race to get the first functional vegan burger in a fast food outlet.
None in UK, surprised really as bk and muckies are all over here. Wonder why not.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Maybe because we have a real Queen?!
Dairy Queen is pure Americana, I don't think the brand translates tbh!
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Well, you say that...
And does that mean Burger King will get their marching orders when Brenda does?
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Can't really say. Its most known for ice cream (ok, ice milk). Maybe you need a certain temperature before ice cream stores take hold.
BTW, you should never get ice cream from one of those machines. I've cleaned the things. I was the ONLY one who cleaned them. Most people just dumped another bag of mix into the top and called it good.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
"Ice cream" made with lower fat content milk. Because of the lack of fat, it has a different, less creamy mouth feel.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
So like a milky sorbet?
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Something like that, but maybe a little creamier.
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I saw rays at Bolton Aquarium many years ago, flying and swooping around their tank like magical beasts, utterly captivating and beautiful.
That same day, I went to the supermarket and saw the same animal lying in chunks in the fish section, dead, dissected, motionless and ruined.
I haven't eaten any fish since then and I never will. They belong in the ocean.
Killing any animal in the hope of seeing "how they lived" strikes me as the height of kinky human self-centredness, if you don't mind me saying.
Aged about 12, I had to hold up a severed cod's head for a photo, it was a prize winning weight on a fishing trip my dad went on. Wearing it like an obsene glove puppet, cold, damp, surprisingly heavy, groce. I've seen fish gutted, am fascinated by sharks etc. I still eat fish.
Point being, I don't think equating knowledge of living creatures, their natural beuty and grace if you will, necessarily turns one off eating them. Why should it. Shark's are viscious violent bastards towards their prey, like all other carnivors. Only reasons I'll cut down eating meat are for environmental ones and to avoid unnecessary cruelty. The latter is a subjective term of course since many will argue all meat eating is unnecessary.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Maybe you've hit on an essential difference between us!
When I see a shark, I see one of the most complex life-forms in the known universe, unique as an aquatic apex predator which has never, and will never exist, anywhere else in Creation.
Putting that in soup?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Eating is one of the finest pleasures to be had in this life, for us and for sharks as well no doubt. I've eaten some mighty fine soups.
On this thread you do sound like a Victorian naturalist. The sort of person who loved and admired animals but in the same breath would happily see whole species wiped out.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Technically if you're eating a shark it necessarily wasn't an apex predator. 
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I try to avoid eating endangered things. But I don't apologise for eating meat nor am I squeamish in any way about what it involves. Sorry I'm not hypocritical enough for you.
Technically if you're eating a shark it necessarily wasn't an apex predator.
Well, yes. Though by that logic we would have to call mosquitoes or certain viruses apex predators.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Technically if you're eating a shark it necessarily wasn't an apex predator.
AQUATIC apex predator ya pedant!! In other words, vital to the eco-system and king of their hill (until we learned how to industrially scrape the sea of all life about (in the scheme of things) 2.3 seconds ago. After they evolved for 30million years.
I try to avoid eating endangered things. But I don't apologise for eating meat nor am I squeamish in any way about what it involves. Sorry I'm not hypocritical enough for you.
Its not hypocritical, the Victorian naturalists weren't hypocritical. As with everything Victorian it was arrogance.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I'm with you on many human industrial food processes. We need to change radically and quickly. I don't really get the 'It's just food aspect' of arguments against meat though. Just food?AQUATIC apex predator ya pedant!! In other words, vital to the eco-system and king of their hill (until we learned how to industrially scrape the sea of all life about (in the scheme of things) 2.3 seconds ago. After they evolved for 30million years.
And teaboy I'm posting a little for effect of course but I'm serious about seeing value in the link between what you eat and where it came from, including the living thing it used to be. I see nothing arrogant in that at all.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Sex is also one of the finest pleasures in life isn't it?
However, we have evolved to make sure we only properly do that with consent. The same should stand for eating intelligent life forms.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Most people in the UK don't want to be reminded that they're eating animals with claws and scales and beaks and fins.
That's why chicken breasts sell, and chicken feet don't. It's why bovine stomach lining as a major foodstuff has had it's day. It's why fish comes in a finger format.
We are utterly divorced from the process, one step removed from the reality. If people were truly connected to the food they eat, they wouldn't be so squeamish about it I don't think.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Maybe you've hit on an essential difference between us!
When I see a shark, I see one of the most complex life-forms in the known universe, unique as an aquatic apex predator which has never, and will never exist, anywhere else in Creation.
Putting that in soup?
Well, I'd grant you that shark fin soup is a pretty ridiculous thing.
It's just tasteless cartilage consumed for superstitious reasons (and can be replaced very easily in a way that can fool pretty well, though it frankly diminishes the soup).
It's also threatening shark populations.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I think we need Jeff Robinson to enter stage right at this point...
8ball
Decolonise colons!
After I saw the thing about that octopus escaping the New Zealand aquarium I've sworn off those octopus balls at Spitalfields market.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Never had it and wouldn't have it, for the reasons you give. Interesting though that assumptions start to be made about your attitudes towards animal welfare or conservation if you express what I consider to be a healthy relationship with your meat eating habits. Lots of stuff is read in that really isn't there.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
They also slice the fins off and throw the rest back into the sea still alive.
There's a special place in Hell for that kind of culture.
